stormtrooper412
Peacemongering Turtlesaur
I think Heroic Epic is also good
The Deity Challenge Line-up #28 - Russia
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Heroic epic isn't all that if you can't take care of your units. If you get to rank up your units to make them more powerful and built in heroic epic city to get that morale boost which is a lot more helpful with statue of zeus which also adds a 15% when attacking cities.
HE does not give xp, so not useful towards getting blitz.
stormtrooper412
Peacemongering Turtlesaur
My bad. I thought it was another +15 on a unit. I have to wonder how did my Venetian XCOMs start with Blitz, I forgot all about it. Maybe I had Alhambra, I can't remember
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I got tech lead close to industrial era but I seemed to not know which civ I should attack first? My SP was like 3 tradition and full liberty + 2 into rationalism for the specialist and then autocracy. I shoulda tech for plastics instead, i still think I could go domination but it was a mistake.
Okay looking at all pictures of others, everything I did is all wrong
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I don't think units can start with blitz unless you have Alhambra and Brandenburg or the Tier 2 Autocracy tenet. Military Academy + Brandenburg + Autocracy still leaves new units 15 xp short. But I think Zulu gets an xp discount with their UB? Or is that Russia with Krepost?
stormtrooper412
Peacemongering Turtlesaur
If you want a late domination and you missed the Cavalry/Arty window, the go-to option is XCOMs, drop them like it's hot 
My default seems to be Mobile Sam + Rocket Artillery.
Alhambra's promotion is FREE, meaning that drill 2 only costs 10XP. Basically if you get a unit with 3 promotions (either Total War or Brandenburg Gate), with Alhambra you get 4 promotions (but only for melee of course).
If you had both Brandenburg Gate and Total War, you would only be able to get 4 promotions with the Zulu, since they require less XP for promotions (this will give you a total of 75XP, which is just enough for level 5 with Zulu, but 25XP too little for everyone else). The Zulu with Total War, having Alhambra and Brandenburg Gate in the same city could give 5 promotions on melee units which is quite nice.
redrum68
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So this is an incredibly easy map. For a non-cooked map, probably in the 1% top maps you can roll since it has salt, strong civ, and overall good position. I'm sure it is possible to do a sub-200 turn science victory. I think if I played it again I could get ~210 though sub 200 is just crazy.
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stormtrooper412
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Impressive.. 
redrum68
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Thanks! Definitely my fastest science victory by far. I seemed to struggle with World Congress strategy though. The only thing I got from it in this game is World's Fair. Is there any good posts/articles on World Congress strategy in particular when going for a science victory?
gg
You don't want the World Fair to early, you want it the latest as possible as you will most likely have the highest culture output the later it goes.
As far as other suggestions go I like the one where you get 33% on GS-Appeareance but you might piss somebody off with it and oftentimes it doesn't pass depends on the civs.
As far as your game goes, I can see quite a lot of big mistakes in your screenshots. Do not build wonders that don't help your victorycondition, the Ankgor Wat is a terrible terrible wonder and literally a massive waste of production. In the second screenshot I can see that you are just now building the National Epic , you are missing out on a lot of GS-Points which can make a big difference and shave a lot of turns from your finishingtime.
You don't want the World Fair to early, you want it the latest as possible as you will most likely have the highest culture output the later it goes.
As far as other suggestions go I like the one where you get 33% on GS-Appeareance but you might piss somebody off with it and oftentimes it doesn't pass depends on the civs.
As far as your game goes, I can see quite a lot of big mistakes in your screenshots. Do not build wonders that don't help your victorycondition, the Ankgor Wat is a terrible terrible wonder and literally a massive waste of production. In the second screenshot I can see that you are just now building the National Epic , you are missing out on a lot of GS-Points which can make a big difference and shave a lot of turns from your finishingtime.
Another thing you could do when you got Gold/Happiness is to plant new cities. It obviously depends on your Gold/Happiness and if you will have the culture to get the last policies you need.
But just for the science output the math would be :
new City Science Production = NCSP
Total Sciencecosts left for victory = T
Total GreatScientists you will pop = GS
total turns of new city producing science = x
(GS * NCSP * 8 + NCSP * X) - T * 0.05 = Surplus/Deficit of new City
example
T = 150000 beakers
NCSP = 150
GS = 8
Total turns of new city producing science = 20
(8 * 150 * 8 + 150 * 20) - 150000 * 0.05
=9600 + 3000 - 7500 = 5100 Beakers Surplus
But just for the science output the math would be :
new City Science Production = NCSP
Total Sciencecosts left for victory = T
Total GreatScientists you will pop = GS
total turns of new city producing science = x
(GS * NCSP * 8 + NCSP * X) - T * 0.05 = Surplus/Deficit of new City
example
T = 150000 beakers
NCSP = 150
GS = 8
Total turns of new city producing science = 20
(8 * 150 * 8 + 150 * 20) - 150000 * 0.05
=9600 + 3000 - 7500 = 5100 Beakers Surplus
redrum68
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How do you delay world fair though? Do you not submit it on the first vote?
I never can seem to get the 33% GS appearance since usually more than half the other civs will be pissed off about it.
This map has a tons of production and I wasn't really sure what to use it on with all the hills and salt. I ended up going for Ankor Wat (didn't get it anyways) because I wasn't acquiring tiles fast enough so had to buy a lot of them (spend several thousand gold on tiles this game as the cost even with Russian unique building was around 200 per tile at the end).
I usually build National Epic around the time of public schools since that's when it seems like you have enough scientists to make the GS-points increase meaningful though maybe that's a mistake.
I never can seem to get the 33% GS appearance since usually more than half the other civs will be pissed off about it.
This map has a tons of production and I wasn't really sure what to use it on with all the hills and salt. I ended up going for Ankor Wat (didn't get it anyways) because I wasn't acquiring tiles fast enough so had to buy a lot of them (spend several thousand gold on tiles this game as the cost even with Russian unique building was around 200 per tile at the end).
I usually build National Epic around the time of public schools since that's when it seems like you have enough scientists to make the GS-points increase meaningful though maybe that's a mistake.
stormtrooper412
Peacemongering Turtlesaur
Yeah but also winning it early while your base culture is crap won't really mean much anyway.
I really dislike the World Fair, the only way it becomes really useful is to win it late when your base culture has already been established, like I did in the Brazil game. However, if it comes around late, all AI cities will be well developed and at least one can snowball into a global superpower that can outproduce you easily
I really dislike the World Fair, the only way it becomes really useful is to win it late when your base culture has already been established, like I did in the Brazil game. However, if it comes around late, all AI cities will be well developed and at least one can snowball into a global superpower that can outproduce you easily
The 150 was a bit off, I first used this strategy with Korea as I felt like going liberty was bad but not having more than 4 cities seemed inefficent as well. A new city with all the sciencebuildings and 7 population gives 98.5 science/turn.
Obviously you can't always do it and it's very gamespecific but it could cut off some turns off your finishingtime.
As far as the World Fair goes, I really never had problems winning it. You really want to have the cultural citystates allied before you get the bonus.
IronfighterXXX
Work Hard - Play Hard
I almost always choose WF as first resolution in science/diplo game - it allows me faster finish rationalism and/or get ideological tents.
By this time of game you should have cultural CSs allies + combine it with GA and GWs and you will get HUGE amount of culture - just plan ahead
I really think that's it's better to spend this few thousands of gold (from what?) on RAs or rush bought science buildings in your main cities rather than settle cities late (and increase your culture needed for policies and GAs +possible problems with happiness )
