Modern/Kingdom of Italy

Robo Magic Man · Nov 23, 2005

Italy Mod Resurrected!

Leader: Vittorio Emanuele II (thanks to C. Roland for the leaderhead)
UU: Alpino (Rifleman w/ Guerilla II)

*Does not replace Rome as previous versions did
**This version was built from Throttle's mod, which was built from my original mod. So, some of the stuff was made by me, and some credit goes to Throttle (the civilopedia entries and the beardless LH icon, I believe) And of course I should give him credit for uploading to a site that didn't cease to exist. :lol:

Please report any bugs or anything that might be missing.

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Red Door · Nov 23, 2005

Its a little weird having a Modern Italy keeping Caesar as leader and Pretorian as UU. Maybe you should move this to graphic modpacks and call it new Roman flag.

Celio Vibenna · Nov 25, 2005

AlCosta15 said:
Its a little weird having a Modern Italy keeping Caesar as leader and Pretorian as UU. Maybe you should move this to graphic modpacks and call it new Roman flag.

Better Caesar than Silvio Berlusconi...

I'm going to create Etruscan Civilization, if it can interest someone...

Rufus T. Firefly · Nov 25, 2005

Celio Vibenna said:
Better Caesar than Silvio Berlusconi...

I'm going to create Etruscan Civilization, if it can interest someone...

Sure, but said that Cesar was italian is a bit too exagerated. Instead, use Vittorio Emanuele II (or Cavour) and Benito.

Celio Vibenna · Nov 25, 2005

Rufus T. Firefly said:
Sure, but said that Cesar was italian is a bit too exagerated. Instead, use Vittorio Emanuele II (or Cavour) and Benito.

Ok for Cavour or Vittorio Emanuele II (I suggest Mazzini or Garibaldi), they are real fathers of modern Italy, but using Mussolini is like using Hitler for German...

Rufus T. Firefly · Nov 25, 2005

Celio Vibenna said:
Ok for Cavour or Vittorio Emanuele II (I suggest Mazzini or Garibaldi), they are real fathers of modern Italy, but using Mussolini is like using Hitler for German...

If you want politically correct, ok. But a leader that rule a country for 20 years, I think that he was important, no?

If you have Mao, Peter and the Kahn, why not have Mussolini? Actually, I think that Hitler lack is an error.

Celio Vibenna · Nov 25, 2005

Rufus T. Firefly said:
If you want politically correct, ok. But a leader that rule a country for 20 years, I think that he was important, no?

If you have Mao, Peter and the Kahn, why not have Mussolini? Actually, I think that Hitler lack is an error.

Hitler and Mussolini were important for the history of thier respective countries, in some sense, but their governments/dictatorships lasted from 1933 till 1945 and from 1924 till 1943 respectively, they was not so long.

Virote_Considon · Nov 25, 2005

1924-1943 is 19 years. That is quite a long time!

Anima Croatorum · Nov 25, 2005

Why hack out Romans? You can add Italy paralel to Roman civ in your mod. Its not complicated.

As for leaders, how about Vittorio Emanuele II and Giuseppe Garibaldi.

What about Garibaldi's Redshirts(I Mille) as unique unit?

Rufus T. Firefly · Nov 25, 2005

Anima Croatorum said:
Why hack out Romans? You can add Italy paralel to Roman civ in your mod. Its not complicated.

As for leaders, how about Vittorio Emanuele II and Giuseppe Garibaldi.

What about Garibaldi's Redshirts(I Mille) as unique unit?

Much better the Bersagliere as UU. And Garibaldi was not a political leader or a headstate, like the one on Civ.

Nazionalista · Nov 25, 2005

Mussolini is ok for Italy, he was the first Leader that applied socialism in Italy.
For the UU....I think Folgore is better

Red Door · Nov 25, 2005

Mussolini wasnt that bad. Already they have Mao(killed 20 million people) and they had Stalin(killed 14 million people) in Civ. Why is Mussolini a bad choice?

Anima Croatorum · Nov 25, 2005

Rufus T. Firefly said:
Much better the Bersagliere as UU. And Garibaldi was not a political leader or a headstate, like the one on Civ.

Forgot about them, Bersagliere had nice hats. Might look nice. But Redshirts might be nice amphibious Rifleman, like early marines. Would provide an interesting tactic option and make such a civ a different gaming experience from other civs.

Garibaldi was a national hero and a key force in the unification of Italy. I think he deserves to get in. Its not about if he ruled or not, but about what he did and what his legacy created. His legacy is a united Italy. Pretty hard to beat.

As for Mussolini, well, he was a maledetto fascista, and as such definitively does not deserve to represent Italy. His inclusion would be beneath modern society standards. Even Berlusconi deserves to be a leader hundred times more than that criminal.

Quinzy · Nov 25, 2005

once again: mao, stalin. if THEY're in, why not Mussolini?

Commy · Nov 25, 2005

Because Stalin sent armies against Axis, and Mussolini - against allies

Anima Croatorum · Nov 25, 2005

Quinzy said:
once again: mao, stalin. if THEY're in, why not Mussolini?

Because he was a fascist pig. Both Mao and Stalin helped save the world during WWII. Mussolini was on the opposite side. I believe that Italy deserves better than to be represented by a dark and shameful episode of its history. Leaders should be heroes, not villains.

Rufus T. Firefly · Nov 25, 2005

Anima Croatorum said:
Forgot about them, Bersagliere had nice hats. Might look nice. But Redshirts might be nice amphibious Rifleman, like early marines. Would provide an interesting tactic option and make such a civ a different gaming experience from other civs.

Garibaldi was a national hero and a key force in the unification of Italy. I think he deserves to get in. Its not about if he ruled or not, but about what he did and what his legacy created. His legacy is a united Italy. Pretty hard to beat.

As for Mussolini, well, he was a maledetto fascista, and as such definitively does not deserve to represent Italy. His inclusion would be beneath modern society standards. Even Berlusconi deserves to be a leader hundred times more than that criminal.

Italian unification was not made only by Giuseppe. Also, after 1870 he retired to Caprera and leave the italian scene. Then, use him as leader is like to use Nelson for Britain: most known, but not adapt.

If you want a much modern Italian leader, why not De Gasperi?

kingpenguin · Nov 25, 2005

For my Risorgimento mod, I already quickly skinned blue to red to make redshirts (anyone's welcome to outdo me on that). Have Vittorio painting in there too, though he looks kind of fatter than normal. Probably going to replace it.

No, it's nowhere near done. And yes, I know representation isn't his favorite civic. Just my work so far.

Anima Croatorum · Nov 26, 2005

Rufus T. Firefly said:
If you want a much modern Italian leader, why not De Gasperi?

Good thinking, Alcide De Gasperi would be an excellent choice.

@kingpenguin: Very nice work so far.

As for Vittorio's favourite civic, how about Nationhood? Since he did unite Italy into one nation.

And if you choose to include De Gasperi, I'd suggest Free Market to represent his work on founding the EU. Or maybe Universal Suffrage/Emancipation for democratic values.

Redshirts... have you decided on special abilities?

kingpenguin · Nov 26, 2005

On my Risorgimento page, I have a screenshot highlighting their abilities, +1 strength, 25% versus gunpowder, 25% versus mounted, and 10% hill defense, with the starter units having many promotions such as amphibious and guerilla.

Sorry to divert the focus of the thread, go to my page for suggestions.

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