[RD] Abortion, once again




What's at stake in Idaho abortion case
April 23, 20244:04 PM ET
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Tomorrow, the Supreme Court will consider another major case about abortion. This time, it is about emergencies in Idaho, which has a medical exception to its abortion ban that applies only when a patient faces death. As NPR's Selena Simmons-Duffin reports, there is a lot at stake for doctors and hospitals and patients in the state.

SELENA SIMMONS-DUFFIN, BYLINE: Sara Thomson is a member of a shrinking group. She's an OB-GYN in Boise, Idaho. She says, before the abortion ban in Idaho took effect...

SARA THOMSON: We already ranked 50th in number of physicians per capita, so we were already a strange state.

SIMMONS-DUFFIN: In the time since Idaho's abortion ban took effect, 58 OB-GYNs have left the state or retired, according to a report by the Idaho Physician Well-Being Action Collaborative. That's nearly 1 in 4 OBs gone.

THOMSON: And in that same time period, only two OB-GYNs moved into Idaho.

SIMMONS-DUFFIN: This exodus of doctors has led to three maternity wards in the state shutting down. Hospital administrators say there's no mystery about why this is happening. Dr. Jim Souza of St. Luke's Health System spoke to reporters last week.



The number of obstetricians in Idaho decreased from 227 in 2022 to about 176 in 2023, a decline of 51 doctors, the report said. The Idaho Physician Well-Being Action Collaborative was created in 2018 by local doctors to address problems affecting physicians and patients in Idaho communities, according to its website.


This is a non trivial percentage. And means higher risks for all women of child bearing age in the state, not just higher risk for pregnant women.
 

Arizona Senate votes to repeal 1864 abortion ban​

Arizona's Senate has voted to repeal a 1864 law banning abortion, the last major push in the Democrat-led effort to erase the law from state books.

Two Republicans joined Senate Democrats to support the repeal bill, which narrowly passed the House last week.

Governor Katie Hobbs, a Democrat, hailed the result and is due to formalise the removal of the law.

The pre-statehood law bars abortion from the moment of conception, with no exceptions for rape or incest.

It was revived last month after Arizona's top court ruled the ban could be enforced following the US Supreme Court's reversal of Roe v Wade in June 2022, a landmark ruling which rescinded the nationwide right to abortion.

The decision unleashed an uproar across the country, where voters broadly support abortion access and galvanised efforts to put an abortion question on the ballot in November, which would expand rights in the state.

And for Republicans staring down autumn elections, the ban posed a major political dilemma, with legislators caught between the party's conservative base and more moderate swing voters who decried the pre-Civil War bill as draconian.

Some leading Republicans including former President Donald Trump and former Arizona Governor Doug Ducey, distanced themselves from the law, suggesting it was out of step with the state's voters.

The repeal bill was passed 16-14 on Wednesday after two Republicans, Shawnna Bolick and TJ Shope broke ranks with their party, voting yes on the one-line repeal bill.

Both were criticised by their colleagues, who described their votes as a betrayal of "pro-life" values.

"The epitome of delusion is saying I am pro-life yet voting to repeal an abortion ban," said Senator Anthony Kern, who called the 1864 law "the best abortion ban in the nation".

Voting to repeal is "voting for death", he said.

Explaining her vote, Ms Bolick recounted her experience receiving an abortion during an unviable pregnancy - an option, she said, that may have been unavailable under the 1864 law, which includes exceptions for the life of the mother.

The abortion "was very tough", she said. "Would Arizona's pre-Roe law have allowed me to have this medical procedure, even though at the time my life wasn't in danger?"

National anti-abortion activists, too, condemned the two politicians, criticising what they described as political cynicism.

"This blueprint of irresponsibility and cowardice will be emulated across the nation by other opportunistic Republicans who gladly wear the pro-life cape for donor dollars but stab the movement in the back when it's time to act," said Chanel Prunier, vice-president of political affairs for anti-abortion group Students for Life Action.

If the repeal is signed by Governor Hobbs, abortions in Arizona will be governed by 2022 law, which prohibits abortions after 15 weeks of pregnancy with exceptions only in cases of medical emergency. There are no exceptions for rape or incest.

However, that could change in November when Arizonans are expected to vote on a ballot question that would protect abortion access until 24 weeks of pregnancy.

Similar ballot initiatives in Republican-controlled states since Roe was overturned have all delivered wins for the pro-choice movement.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-68925013
 

Texas man wants court order to investigate woman’s out-of-state abortion​

A Texas man is seeking a court order so he can depose a woman he was dating who traveled to Colorado to get an abortion, in a case that may have ramifications in the ongoing legal battles over abortion rights.

Collin Davis, a resident of Brazos County, filed a legal petition in March stating that on February 20 — the day after he learned the woman intended to obtain the abortion — he retained an attorney, who sent the woman a letter requesting that she preserve all records related to her plans to terminate the pregnancy.

According to the petition, the letter warned that he “would pursue wrongful-death claims against anyone involved in the killing of his unborn child.”

Davis argues that the deposition is necessary to determine whether there was a violation of the Texas wrongful-death statute, which the petition references alongside a Texas civil code that includes among those defined as individuals “an unborn child at every stage of gestation from fertilization until birth.” His petition additionally points to Texas’ civil enforcement six-week abortion ban, known as SB 8.

The woman filed a petition for court records to be sealed so her identity would remain anonymous, her attorney told CNN. She began dating Davis in November 2023 and found out that she was pregnant in January, according to the petition.

The case, which was reported on by The Washington Post on Friday, is being cited by abortion rights supporters who fear that anti-abortion advocates will use — or at least threaten to use — strict abortion laws to target abortions obtained even in states where the procedure is legal. Texas’ law, passed in 2021, targets doctors and those involved in facilitating abortions, not the women who undergo the procedure themselves, but opponents say that legal uncertainty about restrictions in a post-Roe America has the intended consequence of intimidating women.

Davis is seeking the deposition to obtain information about those involved in the abortion, including the identity of the doctor who performed the procedure in Colorado, and he considers filing a lawsuit against all of them, according to the court filings. Davis is being represented by Jonathan Mitchell, a well-known lawyer and abortion rights opponent who also represented former President Donald Trump in his Colorado ballot case. Mitchell helped craft SB 8, also known as the Texas Heartbeat Act, which uses a novel civil enforcement mechanism to prohibit abortions after fetal cardiac activity is detected, a point usually around six weeks into a pregnancy. Davis cited the law in his petition for the deposition.

CNN has reached out to Davis for comment.

Mitchell said in a statement, “Fathers of aborted fetuses can sue for wrongful death in states with abortion bans, even if the abortion occurs out-of-state. They can sue anyone who paid for the abortion, anyone who aided or abetted the travel, and anyone involved in the manufacture or distribution of abortion drugs.”

Critics decry legal maneuvers​

The case is seen by some abortion rights advocates as an example of the new legal landscape facing women who wish to obtain an abortion, even by legal means.

“We don’t think there is a basis (for a lawsuit),” Marc Hearron, an attorney at the Center for Reproductive Rights, which is representing the woman, told CNN. “It is perfectly legal to leave Texas or any state and go get an abortion in a state where it is legal. And it is perfectly legal to help someone or be involved in someone going out of state and obtaining an abortion where it is allowed by law.”

Nancy Northup, president & CEO of the Center for Reproductive Rights, said the Supreme Court’s 2022 decision in Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization to overturn Roe v. Wade “opened the door to this kind of frightening and unacceptable fearmongering and harassment by one citizen against another.”

Mitchell has spearheaded other legal efforts in the wake of Texas’ abortion law. Last June, he represented a man who filed a wrongful death lawsuit against three friends of his ex-wife who allegedly assisted her in terminating her pregnancy with abortion medication, in an early legal test of the reach of wrongful death statutes in the wake of Roe’s reversal. That case has not yet been resolved.

It’s unclear whether Davis’ petition could lead to a lawsuit against the woman, said Drexel University Law Professor David Cohen. “I definitely don’t think there is a basis for this,” he said. “But we have no confidence to know exactly what the Texas courts will say anymore, at any level.”

Other Republican-led states have sought to pressure women against seeking abortions in other states, particularly minors. Idaho’s legislature last year passed a bill — later blocked by a judge over constitutionality concerns — that would prohibit adults from helping minors cross state lines to get an abortion without parental permission. Meanwhile, Tennessee’s legislature is advancing a law that would similarly criminalize so-called “abortion trafficking” for minors in the state.

“This is all part of a scare campaign to make people afraid that if they go out of state and get an abortion, that they or their loved ones might be sued,” Hearron said. “We really want to emphasize that people should not be intimidated.”

Temple University Beasley School of Law Dean Rachel Rebouché called Davis’ legal maneuver “bizarre and concerning” but said it was not “surprising.”

“I think that we’ll see much more of this in the years to come, so long as Dobbs is in the books. And, frankly, this is exactly the type of example we should point to when we talk about when the Supreme Court should overturn Dobbs,” Rebouché told CNN.


 
Just another way the MAGA evangelicals want to reassert complete control over women. Can't believe conservative women buy this kind of ugliness, but there we are.
 
Just another way the MAGA evangelicals want to reassert complete control over women. Can't believe conservative women buy this kind of ugliness, but there we are.
They think they know their place in god's plan for humanity. :dunno:
 
Best splain 'em how they're wrong. Silly, pretty little things.
 
Best splain 'em how they're wrong. Silly, pretty little things.
There is no explaining away the Bible to those who believe it is the inerrant word of god. Many would say they are doing God's work though his so ordered world.
 
By explaining to them they're the flaw. They'll need to try harder. You should recommend baking you cookies.
 
By explaining to them they're the flaw. They'll need to try harder. You should recommend baking you cookies.
A Christian woman who loves Jesus and works hard to follow what she believes is a path to salvation can be (and is likely) a good person. Politics is the issue.
 
Then it's probably not politics that the decision is being based on.

Maybe the opinion was formed at the wrong time of the month? I'm trying to help out here, seeing as we're casting about in disbelief the ugliness. Right? Maybe just call them ugly. Get right at their central worth.

Spoiler :
;)
 
There is no explaining away the Bible to those who believe it is the inerrant word of god. Many would say they are doing God's work though his so ordered world.
That would make more sense if God had told us not to do abortions, rather than designing us to.
 
That would make more sense if God had told us not to do abortions, rather than designing us to.
Or make them somehow unnecessary.
 
It's not where I'd start if I had the throne. I think I'd start with how things eat.
 

Anti-abortion activist jailed for blockading US clinic​

An anti-abortion activist has been sentenced to nearly five years in prison for blockading a clinic in Washington DC to stop patient access.
Lauren Handy, 30, led a group that forced entry into the Surgi-Clinic in 2020, injuring a nurse, before spending several hours inside.
She was one of several people convicted of civil rights offences last year over the incident.
Police later discovered five foetuses at her home after she was indicted.
Handy, a leader of the Progressive Anti-Abortion Uprising (PAAU) group who describes herself as a "Catholic anarchist", was found guilty in August 2023 and sentenced on Tuesday.
She had denied a charge of using force to obstruct reproductive health care services, a crime under the Freedom of Access to Clinic Entrances Act.
Her trial heard that she had made an abortion appointment at the clinic on 22 October 2020, using the name Hazel Jenkins.

When she arrived, she and several others forced their way into the clinic. A nurse sprained her ankle when one of the group forced their way in.
The group remained inside for several hours, livestreaming the blockade on Facebook as they linked arms and used furniture, locks and chains to block the clinic's doors.
Handy and eight others were eventually arrested and charged with conspiring to injure, oppress, threaten and intimidate patients and employees.
US Attorney Matthew Graves said her conviction showed that "people cannot resort to using force... simply because they disagree with the law".
Two others members of the group have been sentenced to 21 months and 27 months in prison for their roles. Six more are due to be sentenced later this month.
Handy will serve three years of her sentence on supervised release.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-69003240
 
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