I'm not sure how far I would take that. RoS was full of decisions that almost certainly had nothing to do with studio meddling and almost everything to do with Abram's problems as a film maker. The silliness of the 'hyperspace jumping', the frantic pace, RoS and TLJ working at cross-purposes because Abrams didn't communicate to Johnson his overall plot (or more likely, didn't have one in the first place), the whole "Rey, I am your (grand)father" speech, and the silly "find the magic space-rock" plot that was already done by Bioware in KotOR in what is generally considered one of their weakest games plot wise, and the ridiculous cavalry charge ON A SPACE SHIP.
Unsurprisingly, I disagree.
Yes, and how could they have aimed those upwards if they weren't able to take off unless guided? (see below)The axial superlasers are pointed straight ahead not down so I don't see how they'd be hitting Exegol's surface. The Derriphan had to angle it's superlaser downward in order to destroy Kijimi.
The key is your last sentence. There's just a lot of restrictions imposed onto the new fleet for plot reasons, other than ‘the plot would not work without them’.Laurana Kanan said:
Actually, I posted a link sometime recently where the producers were quoted as admitting that Ryan Johnson had not been present at the meetings where the trilogy's plot was established, so he didn't know what/how it was supposed to be.
Ah, yes. You're a laser-brain, Sommerswerd.
Why would they necessarily need to point upwards? As I said, the SDs orientation in relation to the Resistance fleet cannot be determined from the footage. Ignoring things like gravitational curvature, firing straight could still hit an object in space. In any event, there's nothing in the dialogue that definitively confirms that the SDs can't reorient themselves about an axis, only they can't deploy w/o the navigational signal.
Yeah...so you agree with me...I guess.
FYI, it's Rian, not Ryan. I've read those reports and whether RJ was at the meetings or not isn't necessarily important. It's the lack of communication afterwards between JJ and RJ, and Disney and RJ that is the problem. It was the same problem with the Ranger Solo production. Disney gave Lord & Miller, like RJ, largely free reign to develop their movie, which ended up creating all kinds of story and production issues. So you end up with an inferior product and in the case of the ST, a disjointed mess.
No. What I actually, did was point out an example of you being misinformed about key Finn scenes in the film, thus establishing your lack of credibility to claim Finn's character wasn't well developed. Your dismissal of Finn's character as poorly developed was wrong on basic facts. So I'm not wasting time "explaining" to you why I think Finn's character was well developed when you've already demonstrated that you only half-assed watched the film, barely paying attention to his character. You're not in any position to argue with me about his character development when you can't even remember/did not notice basic scenes/details from the film.
He's a freaking trained soldier! Of course he has fighting skills... but once again, it just demonstrates that you dismissed Finn right from the start as a diversity hire and didn't pay any attention to his character development... then you use your ignorance about the character as an excuse to call his character undeveloped.
I'm not "agreeing to disagree" with you about what black people should find meaningful about the blackness of a black character. Your "opinion" about that subject is misinformed and wrong. Period.
The three ST films definitely do not seem like they are following any pre-written comprehensive story/arc. They very much seem like they were separately written and at least partly in reaction to the reception to the others... especially TRoS.
So I agree that Finn's story gets muddled somewhat, but I think that is more a consequence of the disjointed aspect of the trilogy as a whole. That is to say that if Abrams had done the whole thing or if Johnson had been allowed to finish it, there would have been more clarity for the story as a whole, which would have in-turn filtered down to all the main characters. I thought that both Finn and Poe's arc/growth as characters were very well done in TLJ alone. However, I disagree that Finn's trauma isn't shown. Not only does he talk about it, he repeatedly tries to run away, once even in the face of Rey's objections and then tries to martyr himself... all as a direct result of his trauma and fear/hatred for the FO.
... then Finn wakes up suddenly from the nightmare/flashback, bumping his head on the hospital bed-cover. What do you think?
If you're not going to explain anything, then don't say you did. Not that I'm expecting any explanation.
It takes more than a soldier's fighting skills to handle a lightsaber, a unique awareness primarily due to the weightlessness of the blade and its immense lethality. I'm not making this up: it is (or was) part of the Star Wars canon. It's not at all like any regular sword. I'm not going to apologize for criticizing the devaluation of such an iconic weapon.I mean you referred to Finn as "some random dude" to complain about why he has any prowess with a weapon. Are you serious?
Except I'm not arguing about the blackness of a black character. I'm arguing against the notion he's a well-developed character. I don't give a damn about the colour of anyone's skin. I'll retract my statement that you should demand more, if you think he's developed enough.
Of course. It's a mess. No disagreement here.
Sadly, rumors only at this point.
I've explained plenty, including explaining why I don't think you're in any position to judge Finn's character development.
Even putting aside the multiple obvious on screen displays of Finn's force-sensitivity... We have no basis for concluding that Finn's skills/training were insufficient to handle a lightsaber. Quite to the contrary in fact. The various FO troops are shown using a variety of melee energy weapons throughout the ST. Just because only Jedis used them in the days of the Old Republic doesn't mean that's still the case. Quite to the contrary, it's obviously not still the case.
Nah... not more... just different. You had different expectations of these movies than I did. And that was the case for a lot of fans who were disappointed versus those of us who enjoyed them.
Amen to everything. As I said, character underdevelopment is rampant in this trilogy, across the board. Or just schizophrenic (i.e. TFA: Who are Rey's parents? TLJ: Rey's parents are not important! ROS: Rey's parentage IS SUPER IMPORTANT!).
Hit me.
No problem with thinking that. I don't think you're in position to judge whether I can provide my opinion on any given subject.
Powered melee weapons (shock/vibro stuff) are not the same as energy melee weapons with a significant weightless component. I'll just say that: the other matters have already been addressed.
Take it how you will.
Dude... its all make believe, so you've no idea what is the same as what. All you can speak to is how you see it in your own subjective imagination. In your imagination the other make believe energy melee weapons are not the same as the make believe lightsabers. But none of it is real so there isn't any basis to insist on differentiating the two... other than your subjective disdain for Finn and consequent need to find things to criticize about the character.
So you keep going ahead and assuming eight million things. You talk about hills to die on yet you are the one coughing up walls of text defending one tooth and nail.
