Epsilon Foreign Ministry

[General_W]

- Team Epsilon -
Turn 91​

600 BC
Peace is War
Freedom is Slavery
Epsilon is Strength
​

Foreign Headline News:

* We meet Loco (Ghandi) !!
* We are greatly advanced beyond Loco in technology – but they are killing us in production!
* Piffle has built a town in a terrible spot, and blocked us from their land.
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Score Tracker

1) Epsilon – Leader (Huang) = 335 (+14)
2) Piffle - Pifflenatress (Elizabeth) = 271 (+7)
3) Loco - King Kong (Gandhi) = 241 (+0)
4) Innovia - Saggioun the Wise (Saladin) = 229 (+5)
5) Aloha – Chief Aloha (Catherine) = 195 (+10)
​

Top 5 Cities / Wonders

World Wonders:

Epsilon Team!: Oracle
Loco / King Kong / Gandhi: Stonehenge
Piffle / Elizabeth: Great Lighthouse (Balderdash)
Innovia / Saggioun the Wise / Saladin: Kashi Vishwanath
​

Epsilon International Relations Report:

Team Aloha
Team Aloha
Leader: Chief Aloha
Civ: Catherine, Russia
Traits: Creative, Financial
UU: Cossack
Contact: Not yet

Technology to Trade: ?
Missing Technology: ?

Known Towns:
Aloha Capital = Population ?
Aloha City #2 = Population ?
​

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Team Innovia
Team Innovia
Leader: Saggioun the Wise
Civ: Saladin, Arabia
Traits: Philosophical, Spiritual
UU: Camel Archer
Contact: Not yet

Technology to Trade: ?
Missing Technology: ?

Known Towns:
Innovia Capital = Population ?, Hindu Holy City
​

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Team Piffle
Team Piffle
Leader: Pifflenatress
Civ: Elizabeth, England
Traits: Philosophical, Financial
UU: Redcoat
Contact: t45 (2220 BC)

Technology to Trade: Archery (60), Sailing (100)
Missing Technology: Priesthood (60), Meditation (80), Code of Laws (350), Civil Service (800)

** Piffle Official Embassy: **

Known Towns:
Balderdash - Capital = 5 population / Great Lighthouse
Hamburger = ? population
Teracle Cottage = ? population
Brilliant!= ? population
​

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Team Loco
Team Loco
Leader: King Kong
Civ: Gandhi, India
Traits: Spiritual, Industrious
UU: Fast Worker
Contact: turn 91 (600 BC)

Technology to Trade: Sailing (100), Monotheism (120)
Missing Technology: Hunting (40), Animal Husbandry (100), Iron Working (200), Monarchy (300), Alphabet (300), Code of Laws (350), Metal Casting (450), Civil Service (800).


**Loco Official Embassy: **

Known Towns:
Short Line = 7 population / Buddhism Holy City / Stonehenge
B and O = ? population
Reading = ? population
Pennsylvania = ? population
​

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​

Foreign Trade Analysis:

* Nothing yet
​

Foreign Treaty/Diplomacy Status:

* Peace with team Piffle – till 1AD
​

The Big Board: Foreign Science Status:

.	Epsilon		Aloha		Innovia		Piffle		Loco

[B]Epsilon:[/B]X		?		?		Med/Pries	Hunt/Ani/Iron+	

[B]Aloha:[/B]	?		X		?		?		?

[B]Innovia:[/B]?		?		X		?		?

[B]Piffle:[/B]Sail/Arch	?		?		X		Hunt/Ani/Iron+

[B]Loco:[/B]Sail/Mono		?		?		Med/Pri/Mono	X

​

World Religion Status:

Buddhism – 20% (+0) – Founded turn 10 (3600BC) by King Kong (Ghandi)
Confucianism – 17% (+0) – Founded turn 66 (1360BC) by Epsilon team!
Hinduism – 14% (+0) – Founded turn 12 (3520BC) by StWO (Saladin)
Judaism – 2% (+0) – Founded turn 82 (825 BC) by StWO (Saladin)
​

Info Learned from Other Sources:

* Piffle has met another team
* Piffle has a Galley and an Axeman.
​

International Force Alignment:

Epsilon Power:
Soldiers: 50,000 (Rival Best: 62,000 / Rival Avg: 45,750)

Compared to Piffle: ~20%Weaker
Compared to Loco: 30%Stronger
​

From the desk of the CFM (Chief Foreign Minister):
* Major, Major stuff this turn!
* All info updated regarding Loco – make sure you stop by the embassy to put your input in on our first letter to Loco.
* In the International Relations Report section, I have added the base beaker value to each teach we're missing or that our rivals are missing. Should help with analyzing potential trades. I'll be updating the first page of both embassies with this information also.
* Piffle, I believe, has made a pretty remarkable tactical blunder. By setteling where they did, they now have a city in a crummy location, that won't even allow their ships to pass between the two oceans!! They obviously settled there to prevent us from reaching their homeland – and that much was a success – but at the price of carrying around a nearly useless city for most of the game?!? I'm not sure that's a very good deal.
Other thoughts on this?

 

[Agarwaen]

Hiw much we need a city that close to Piffle? There are several good city locations near us already, I don't think it was a great move...

 

[General_W]

I'm not sure I'm clear on what you're trying to say Agarwaen? - but it's good to see you speaking up!

I was just pointing out in my update that it seems to me like Piffle picked a really poor spot to settle. It blocks us from exploring their land, which is sad – but Piffle will be stuck with that near useless city the whole game… or until someone razes it…

I'm certainly not advocating settling down near there. I DO think we're going to want a city on the connecting isthmus to allow our ships to jump between oceans at some point… but not till our core is more secure (ie, settle the better locations near home first).

Is that what you're also saying?

 

[lost_civantares]

They'll could stick another city I guess for a canal, but perhaps they've discovered enough about the map that they feel it isn't needed to have a canal?

 

[Agarwaen]

I'm not sure I'm clear on what you're trying to say Agarwaen? - but it's good to see you speaking up!

I was just pointing out in my update that it seems to me like Piffle picked a really poor spot to settle. It blocks us from exploring their land, which is sad – but Piffle will be stuck with that near useless city the whole game… or until someone razes it…

I'm certainly not advocating settling down near there. I DO think we're going to want a city on the connecting isthmus to allow our ships to jump between oceans at some point… but not till our core is more secure (ie, settle the better locations near home first).

Is that what you're also saying?

yeah, I was trying to say something like that. In the early game good spots to cities are too important to do something like Piffle did.

And I support the idea of having a Canal, but later.

 

[General_W]

- Team Epsilon -
Turn 92​

575 BC
Peace is War
Freedom is Slavery
Epsilon is Strength
​

Foreign Headline News:

* Epsilon loses 7 points to the Whip… Loco picks up 7 points.
* We’re now also up Polytheism on Piffle… but Loco already has it. (Added to trade options below)
​

Score Tracker

1) Epsilon – Leader (Huang) = 328 (-7)
2) Piffle - Pifflenatress (Elizabeth) = 271 (+0)
3) Loco - King Kong (Gandhi) = 248 (+7)
4) Innovia - Saggioun the Wise (Saladin) = 229 (+0)
5) Aloha – Chief Aloha (Catherine) = 195 (+0)
​

Top 5 Cities / Wonders

World Wonders:

Epsilon Team!: Oracle
Loco: Stonehenge
Piffle: Great Lighthouse
Innovia: Kashi Vishwanath
Aloha: None
​

Epsilon International Relations Report:

Spoiler Aloha - no contact :

Team Aloha
Team Aloha
Leader: Chief Aloha
Civ: Catherine, Russia
Traits: Creative, Financial
UU: Cossack
Contact: Not yet

Technology to Trade: ?
Missing Technology: ?

Known Towns:
Aloha Capital = Population ?
Aloha City #2 = Population ?
​

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Spoiler Innovia - no contact :

Team Innovia
Team Innovia
Leader: Saggioun the Wise
Civ: Saladin, Arabia
Traits: Philosophical, Spiritual
UU: Camel Archer
Contact: Not yet

Technology to Trade: ?
Missing Technology: ?

Known Towns:
Innovia Capital = Population ?, Hindu Holy City
​

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Team Piffle
Team Piffle
Leader: Pifflenatress
Civ: Elizabeth, England
Traits: Philosophical, Financial
UU: Redcoat
Contact: t45 (2220 BC)

Technology to Trade: Archery (60), Sailing (100)
Missing Technology: Priesthood (60), Meditation (80), Polytheism (100), Code of Laws (350), Civil Service (800)

** Piffle Official Embassy: **

Known Towns:
Balderdash - Capital = 5 population / Great Lighthouse
Hamburger = ? population
Teracle Cottage = ? population
Brilliant!= ? population
​

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Team Loco
Team Loco
Leader: King Kong
Civ: Gandhi, India
Traits: Spiritual, Industrious
UU: Fast Worker
Contact: turn 91 (600 BC)

Technology to Trade: Sailing (100), Monotheism (120)
Missing Technology: Hunting (40), Animal Husbandry (100), Iron Working (200), Monarchy (300), Alphabet (300), Code of Laws (350), Metal Casting (450), Civil Service (800).


**Loco Official Embassy: **

Known Towns:
Short Line = 8 population / Buddhism Holy City / Stonehenge
B and O = ? population
Reading = ? population
Pennsylvania = ? population
​

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​

Foreign Trade Analysis:

* Nothing yet
​

Foreign Treaty/Diplomacy Status:

* Peace with team Piffle – till 1AD
​

The Big Board: Foreign Science Status:

.	Epsilon		Aloha		Innovia		Piffle		Loco

[B]Epsilon:[/B]X		?		?		Med/Poly+	Hunt/Ani/Iron+	

[B]Aloha:[/B]	?		X		?		?		?

[B]Innovia:[/B]?		?		X		?		?

[B]Piffle:[/B]Sail/Arch	?		?		X		Hunt/Ani/Iron+

[B]Loco:[/B]Sail/Mono		?		?		Med/Pri/Mono	X

​

World Religion Status:

Buddhism – 20% (+0) – Founded turn 10 (3600BC) by King Kong (Ghandi)
Confucianism – 16% (-1) – Founded turn 66 (1360BC) by Epsilon team!
Hinduism – 13% (-1) – Founded turn 12 (3520BC) by StWO (Saladin)
Judaism – 4% (+2) – Founded turn 82 (825 BC) by StWO (Saladin)
​

Info Learned from Other Sources:

* Piffle has met another team
* Piffle has a Galley and an Axeman.
* Piffle and Loco don’t know eachother.
​

International Force Alignment:

Epsilon Power:

​

From the desk of the CFM (Chief Foreign Minister):
* I’ve changed the way I do the images here – by shrinking the images before posting, I’m hoping to avoid any need to click on a thumbnail and visit a site outside of CivFanatics. Hopefully you like this new way better! I’m always looking for ways to improve this thread, so please don’t be shy about offering ideas on how I can make this better, more useful, and more accesable.
* Next term this update will be moving to the State of the Empire thread. But for now, please post any general comments here, or talk about specific nations in their embassies!
Thanks!
** Piffle Official Embassy: **
**Loco Official Embassy: **

 

[General_W]

- Team Epsilon -
Turn 93​

550 BC
Peace is War
Freedom is Slavery
Epsilon is Strength
​

Foreign Headline News:

* Loco continues to gain ground with a +9 point gain this turn (on top of the +7 last turn) – I don’t see any new techs they have though… but maybe it just hasn’t showed up yet?
​

Score Tracker

1) Epsilon – Leader (Huang) = 328 (+0)
2) Piffle - Pifflenatress (Elizabeth) = 271 (+0)
3) Loco - King Kong (Gandhi) = 257 (+9)
4) Innovia - Saggioun the Wise (Saladin) = 226 (-3)
5) Aloha – Chief Aloha (Catherine) = 208 (+13)
​

Top 5 Cities / Wonders

World Wonders:

Epsilon Team!: Oracle
Loco: Stonehenge
Piffle: Great Lighthouse
Innovia: Kashi Vishwanath
Aloha: None
​

Epsilon International Relations Report:

Spoiler Aloha - no contact :

Team Aloha
Team Aloha
Leader: Chief Aloha
Civ: Catherine, Russia
Traits: Creative, Financial
UU: Cossack
Contact: Not yet

Technology to Trade: ?
Missing Technology: ?

Known Towns:
Aloha Capital = Population ?
Aloha City #2 = Population ?
​

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Spoiler Innovia - no contact :

Team Innovia
Team Innovia
Leader: Saggioun the Wise
Civ: Saladin, Arabia
Traits: Philosophical, Spiritual
UU: Camel Archer
Contact: Not yet

Technology to Trade: ?
Missing Technology: ?

Known Towns:
Innovia Capital = Population ?, Hindu Holy City
​

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Team Piffle
Team Piffle
Leader: Pifflenatress
Civ: Elizabeth, England
Traits: Philosophical, Financial
UU: Redcoat
Contact: t45 (2220 BC)

Technology to Trade: Archery (60), Sailing (100)
Missing Technology: Priesthood (60), Meditation (80), Polytheism (100), Code of Laws (350), Civil Service (800)

**Piffle Official Embassy:**

Known Towns:
Balderdash - Capital = 5 population / Great Lighthouse
Hamburger = ? population
Teracle Cottage = ? population
Brilliant!= ? population
​

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Team Loco
Team Loco
Leader: King Kong
Civ: Gandhi, India
Traits: Spiritual, Industrious
UU: Fast Worker
Contact: turn 91 (600 BC)

Technology to Trade: Sailing (100), Monotheism (120)
Missing Technology: Hunting (40), Animal Husbandry (100), Iron Working (200), Monarchy (300), Alphabet (300), Code of Laws (350), Metal Casting (450), Civil Service (800).


**Loco Official Embassy:**

Known Towns:
Short Line = 8 population / Buddhism Holy City / Stonehenge
B and O = ? population
Reading = ? population
Pennsylvania = ? population
​

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​

Foreign Trade Analysis:

* Nothing yet
​

Foreign Treaty/Diplomacy Status:

* Peace with team Piffle – till 1AD
​

The Big Board: Foreign Science Status:

.	Epsilon		Aloha		Innovia		Piffle		Loco

[B]Epsilon:[/B]X		?		?		Med/Poly+	Hunt/Ani/Iron+	

[B]Aloha:[/B]	?		X		?		?		?

[B]Innovia:[/B]?		?		X		?		?

[B]Piffle:[/B]Sail/Arch	?		?		X		Hunt/Ani/Iron+

[B]Loco:[/B]Sail/Mono		?		?		Med/Pri/Mono	X

​

World Religion Status:

Buddhism – 21% (+1) – Founded turn 10 (3600BC) by King Kong (Ghandi)
Confucianism – 16% (+0) – Founded turn 66 (1360BC) by Epsilon team!
Hinduism – 14% (+1) – Founded turn 12 (3520BC) by StWO (Saladin)
Judaism – 4% (+0) – Founded turn 82 (825 BC) by StWO (Saladin)
​

Info Learned from Other Sources:

* Piffle has met another team
* Piffle has a Galley and an Axeman.
* Piffle and Loco don’t know eachother.
​

International Force Alignment:

Epsilon Power:
​

From the desk of the CFM (Chief Foreign Minister):
* I guess you all must like my updates alright? Since I’m not getting any suggestions – I’ll take that as a compliment!
* I sent our trade proposal to Loco – nothing to do now but wait to hear back!

* Next term this update will be moving to the State of the Empire thread. But for now, please post any general comments here, or talk about specific nations in their embassies!
Thanks!
**Piffle Official Embassy:**
**Loco Official Embassy:**

 

[Kylearan]

Hi,

I guess you all must like my updates alright? Since I’m not getting any suggestions – I’ll take that as a compliment!

Absolutely! I love your updates, they are much appreciated!

Regarding the current in-game situation, what makes me a bit nervous is the fast and steady increase in Piffle's power. I hope it's just because they are building some axemen or archers to fight barbs or garrison their cities, but we should pump out some axes of our own real soon (which we've luckily planned to do anyway).

-Kylearan

 

[General_W]

- Team Epsilon -
Turn 94​

525 BC
Peace is War
Freedom is Slavery
Epsilon is Strength
​

Foreign Headline News:

* Piffle uses the whip! Those murderous thugs! Abusing their people like that! For shame!
* Loco Learns the secret of Animal Husbandry!
* Innovia gains 23 points! (Did I miss the construction of a wonder? I'll have to look when I get home. I must have!)
​

Score Tracker

1) Epsilon – Leader (Huang) = 328 (+0)
2) Piffle - Pifflenatress (Elizabeth) = 271 (-3)
3) Loco - King Kong (Gandhi) = 263 (+9)
4) Innovia - Saggioun the Wise (Saladin) = 249 (+23)
5) Aloha – Chief Aloha (Catherine) = 208 (+0)
​

Top 5 Cities / Wonders

World Wonders:

Epsilon Team!: Oracle
Loco: Stonehenge
Piffle: Great Lighthouse
Innovia: Kashi Vishwanath
Aloha: None
​

Epsilon International Relations Report:

Spoiler Aloha - no contact :

Team Aloha
Team Aloha
Leader: Chief Aloha
Civ: Catherine, Russia
Traits: Creative, Financial
UU: Cossack
Contact: Not yet

Technology to Trade: ?
Missing Technology: ?

Known Towns:
Aloha Capital = Population ?
Aloha City #2 = Population ?
​

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Spoiler Innovia - no contact :

Team Innovia
Team Innovia
Leader: Saggioun the Wise
Civ: Saladin, Arabia
Traits: Philosophical, Spiritual
UU: Camel Archer
Contact: Not yet

Technology to Trade: ?
Missing Technology: ?

Known Towns:
Innovia Capital = Population ?, Hindu Holy City
​

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Team Piffle
Team Piffle
Leader: Pifflenatress
Civ: Elizabeth, England
Traits: Philosophical, Financial
UU: Redcoat
Contact: t45 (2220 BC)

Technology to Trade: Archery (60), Sailing (100)
Missing Technology: Priesthood (60), Meditation (80), Polytheism (100), Code of Laws (350), Civil Service (800)

**Piffle Official Embassy:**

Known Towns:
Balderdash - Capital = 5 population / Great Lighthouse
Hamburger = ? population
Teracle Cottage = ? population
Brilliant!= ? population
​

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Team Loco
Team Loco
Leader: King Kong
Civ: Gandhi, India
Traits: Spiritual, Industrious
UU: Fast Worker
Contact: turn 91 (600 BC)

Technology to Trade: Sailing (100), Monotheism (120)
Missing Technology: Hunting (40), Iron Working (200), Monarchy (300), Alphabet (300), Code of Laws (350), Metal Casting (450), Civil Service (800).


**Loco Official Embassy:**

Known Towns:
Short Line = 8 population / Buddhism Holy City / Stonehenge
B and O = ? population
Reading = ? population
Pennsylvania = ? population
​

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​

Foreign Trade Analysis:

* Nothing yet
​

Foreign Treaty/Diplomacy Status:

* Peace with team Piffle – till 1AD

* Piffle and Loco haven't met, and have no known deals.
​

The Big Board: Foreign Science Status:

.	Epsilon		Aloha		Innovia		Piffle		Loco

[B]Epsilon:[/B]X		?		?		Med/Poly+	Hunt/Iron+	

[B]Aloha:[/B]	?		X		?		?		?

[B]Innovia:[/B]?		?		X		?		?

[B]Piffle:[/B]Sail/Arch	?		?		X		Hunt/Iron+

[B]Loco:[/B]Sail/Mono		?		?		Med/Pri/Mono	X

​

World Religion Status:

Buddhism – 21% (+0) – Founded turn 10 (3600BC) by King Kong (Ghandi)
Confucianism – 16% (+0) – Founded turn 66 (1360BC) by Epsilon team!
Hinduism – 15% (+1) – Founded turn 12 (3520BC) by StWO (Saladin)
Judaism – 4% (+0) – Founded turn 82 (825 BC) by StWO (Saladin)
​

Info Learned from Other Sources:

* Piffle has met another team
* Piffle has a Galley and Axemen.
​

International Force Alignment:

Epsilon Power:
​

From the desk of the CFM (Chief Foreign Minister):
* Thanks for the positive comments Kylearan! At least I know there's ONE other person reading these things!
* And I agree - Piffle rapid rise in military power combined with their recent closed-mouth nature, combined with our belief they have met another team... it all adds up to bad news. We must be ready!
*If anyone saw if Innovia built a wonder, or rather, what wonder they built - please let me know so I can update this even sooner! Thanks.

* Next term this update will be moving to the State of the Empire thread. But for now, please post any general comments here, or talk about specific nations in their embassies!
Thanks!
**Piffle Official Embassy:**
**Loco Official Embassy:**

 

[Memphus]

We didn't lose any points for cracking the whip in eternal eye? !?!?

BTW I do read this every turn

 

[General_W]

Oh – we certainly lose points for whip cracking… er… I mean accepting the willing sacrifice of our noble citizens for the greater good… it'll just show up next turn. See turn 92, for example. Shows our point loss from whipping on turn 91.

Did you notice if Innovia built a wonder?
I was in a big hurry this morning and forgot to look!

P.S. I'm glad you're following along!

 

[peter grimes]

I opened the save, hunted around in the event log, and even hit enter to end the turn; I didn't see any mention of a new wonder. I also checked the Top 5 cities. No new Wonders.

They may have traded?

 

[lost_civantares]

General_W, Are you sure, I thought I was certain the effect on the score was immediate?

 

[General_W]

It's for sure - there is NO new wonder.
That's quite the point jump they got... I don't think they traded... we'd see the new tech... no strike that... they must have traded, it always seems to take a turn to show up in the diplomacy screen.

I wonder what they got?? Maybe we'll learn more when they finally respond to our letter.
Real thing that's nagging me... WHAT did their trading partner offer them? Must have been something better than our offer.

EDIT: oh, and on the whipping - maybe it does register the same turn, but I never do anything with the saves except open them up and take a few screenshots... so I wouldn't see our point change till the next turn.

 

[peter grimes]

Tech trading is a little different here than in Civ3. I remember hearing that when you learn a tech, you can't trade it for a turn. So if we see a point jump due to tech, we won't see the tech available for trade until the following turn.

Or something like that

 

[General_W]

I think you mis-read what I wrote
(granted, it wasn't the most clear thing I've ever written!)

You're exactly right - I confirmed that it worked this way in our last trade with Piffle.
Next turn we'll find out what Loco traded for.

 

[peter grimes]

I did mis-read - or, more accurately, I simply rephrased what you already wrote

 

[General_W]

Loco has had a big run in points lately (92 +7, then 93 +9, then 94 +9 again for a total +25 gain in the last 3 turns) and then Innovia jumps +23 also on turn 94 – without any wonders showing up – this suggest to me Innovia and Loco are trading.

Anyone see any obvious holes in my theory?

Working off this idea, I've crafted a new guess at the map that I'm pretty proud of.
This seems like a good guess at a balanced custom-designed MP map… every civ is connected to exactly 2 other civs, and it'll make for some interesting late game dynamics.


…also makes me wonder if Iron (and other key strategic resources?) may be located just offshore in those black areas between continents where there are no land bridges? We should get a boat out and take a peek!

Please offer feedback and further thoughts/point out flaws in my wild speculation!
At the least, it's something to chew on while we want for some kind of confirmation (via letter or getting the save back) on what's going on with Loco.

 

[Memphus]

I Like it alot! Looks Great!

What is does point out is that setting up city site E and F (I think anyways) Basically the two coast connecting cities. Is important.

The reason for this is think of the two of the together kind of like the Panama Canal in which we control East and West!

 

[peter grimes]

I like the way Aloha got shafted with the smallest landmass

If there are other 'Treasure Islands' in the black, we could almost certainly access them before Astronomy. I strongly doubt that Sirian would place an early resource like Iron in a location accessible only by techs that come so much later. Let's get some workboats out as soon as is practical