bassist2119
Warlord
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- Jul 19, 2006
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At this point in time, we've all had the opportunity to study Warlords, learn the new exploits, experiment with traits, etc. This thread's purpose is to see if we can arrive at a consensus regarding one (or more reasonably, more than one - preferrably less than four) civs that clearly shine above the rest.
There are numerous intangibles to consider, so I'll set a few parameters:
1.) Civs are gauged at diff levels between prince and emporer. While this does detract significantly from "low-level" traits, most notably industrious, it does allow top 2nd tier traits to shine without necessitating PHI/FIN/ORG on the highest levels.
2.) We shall assume continents maps. IMO, these have a decent balance of large landmasses (which strengthen some traits) while still having large coastal areas and a need to address overseas landmasses (which strengthen others).
3,) Though it's extremely tough to get people to agree on, consider the weight of flexibility as equal to that of raw power. In other words, the flexibility of having a Jag that can be built w/o resources may only be situational, but the ability to adapt to that situation should put it at least on equal ground w/, say, the more powerful Celtic sword - but not on equal ground to, say, the Praet.
4.) Assume ancient starts/all victories enabled.
5.) Civs are to be gauged not on how greatly they can win (i.e. high margin of victory) but by how likely they are to acheive any victory condition - and all victory conditions are to be considered equal. This can encompass any tactical or strategical approach, but note (as in item #3) that absolute dependency on one particular strat without having compensation for circumstances which wholly negate it would not bear much weight (sorry for the run-on there.)
6.) Closely related to item #5 - please do your utmost to prevent personal preferences from interfering with effective gauging of civs. For example, I have a personal preference of wiping the world clean with katanas, but Japan's emphasis on firepower w/o the infrastructure to back it would prevent me from considering it as an option. Secondly, this greatly weakens reliance on the SE.
Please withhold all arguing... errr... debating... at least until 9/10/06 and, in the meantime, note any other necessary parameters I may have forgotten.
Look forward to this,
Bassist2119
There are numerous intangibles to consider, so I'll set a few parameters:
1.) Civs are gauged at diff levels between prince and emporer. While this does detract significantly from "low-level" traits, most notably industrious, it does allow top 2nd tier traits to shine without necessitating PHI/FIN/ORG on the highest levels.
2.) We shall assume continents maps. IMO, these have a decent balance of large landmasses (which strengthen some traits) while still having large coastal areas and a need to address overseas landmasses (which strengthen others).
3,) Though it's extremely tough to get people to agree on, consider the weight of flexibility as equal to that of raw power. In other words, the flexibility of having a Jag that can be built w/o resources may only be situational, but the ability to adapt to that situation should put it at least on equal ground w/, say, the more powerful Celtic sword - but not on equal ground to, say, the Praet.
4.) Assume ancient starts/all victories enabled.
5.) Civs are to be gauged not on how greatly they can win (i.e. high margin of victory) but by how likely they are to acheive any victory condition - and all victory conditions are to be considered equal. This can encompass any tactical or strategical approach, but note (as in item #3) that absolute dependency on one particular strat without having compensation for circumstances which wholly negate it would not bear much weight (sorry for the run-on there.)
6.) Closely related to item #5 - please do your utmost to prevent personal preferences from interfering with effective gauging of civs. For example, I have a personal preference of wiping the world clean with katanas, but Japan's emphasis on firepower w/o the infrastructure to back it would prevent me from considering it as an option. Secondly, this greatly weakens reliance on the SE.
Please withhold all arguing... errr... debating... at least until 9/10/06 and, in the meantime, note any other necessary parameters I may have forgotten.
Look forward to this,
Bassist2119