Massive Earthquake and Tsunami strikes Japan

They say no news is good news.

Indeed. The hardship continues though for the displaced and tsunami stricken.

As of 03:00 GMT sunday march 20th these are the statistics:

  • A total of 8,133 people were confirmed dead by police
  • 12,272 people are still missing
  • A total of 362,877 people evacuated and staying in shelters
  • A total of 249,879 households in the north without electricity as of Sunday morning
  • At least 1.04 million househols without running water as of Saturday
  • At least 117,274 buildings damaged with at least 14,407 completely destroyed
  • Citigroup and Goldman Sachs estimate the total losses from property/infrastructure damage to be between 15 and 16 trillion Yen(180-200 billion dollars).
  • According to the Japanese foreign ministry, 128 countries and 33 international organizations have offered assistance as of Saturday.

The nuclear plant now has power to the two undamaged reactors' conventional cooling systems, #5 and #6. #1 through to #4 are still without power and are still in unknown status as far as core integrity(#2 is the one that most likely has a breach in the concrete shell surrounding the high grade steel alloy reactor). Radiation has leveled off to a non-critical level at the plant as of this morning, so workers can continue trying to clear rubble to cool the spent fuel rods at #4 and to attempt to hook power up to all of them.

Source: Reuters
 
I say it's pretty darn amazing that the nuclear plant is still under control despite the 9.0 earthquake, massive 10-meter wave of water just an hour later and all infrastructure in the area wiped out.
 
I say it's pretty darn amazing that the nuclear plant is still under control despite the 9.0 earthquake, massive 10-meter wave of water just an hour later and all infrastructure in the area wiped out.

It's not really under control but it's not completely out of control either.
 
me said:
All right, Smart Guy. Control your destiny. You fix the reactor yourself. Tell me how you do it.
See? Neither Singularity nor anybody else had an answer to this one. That should prove one of my three-day-old points pretty clearly. No, we don't control our destiny, it's entirely in the hands of other people--in this case, nuclear engineers working for an Evil Corporation because nobody else knows how to fix the goddamn reactor. Our only choices here are to trust an Evil Corporation or a total meltdown will happen.


If this was inner Mongolia I could maybe agree with you. But not Japan in 2011.
The explosions in question happened a couple days later. Do you honestly think they wouldn't have at least one phone line between the Prime Minister and the company reponsible for the plant by that point? Furthermore, if there wasn't a line up yet, why would the Prime Minister be mad that they didn't call him? If they were unable to call him, he should know that.
The following two links are for the both of you:

Damage From Earthquake Slams Mobile Communications In Japan
Japan Lays Power Cable in Race to Stop Radiation


For all your talk about "it can't happen here"? Guess what: the above links prove that it did.

A bit of advice to you two, for next time: never make a blanket statement (such as "that's not possible") unless you're absolutely 100% sure. Because all it takes is one counterexample to prove you wrong.
 
The following two links are for the both of you:

Damage From Earthquake Slams Mobile Communications In Japan
Japan Lays Power Cable in Race to Stop Radiation


For all your talk about "it can't happen here"? Guess what: the above links prove that it did.

A bit of advice to you two, for next time: never make a blanket statement (such as "that's not possible") unless you're absolutely 100% sure. Because all it takes is one counterexample to prove you wrong.

Do you have any evidence that there was absolutely no way for the company to contact the Prime Minister and say "Oh hey, there were some more explosions, thought you should know" or something along those lines? I'd understand average Joe #1 and average Joe #2 not being able to contact each other at this time. But phone lines used by the government to find out what's going on at the nuclear plant that's undergoing a partial meltdown? That would be a top priority to get back online as soon as possible, and they would certainly have it done after a few days.
 
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2011/03/taking_stock_3.php

A TPM Reader and student of Japan takes a harsh look at US coverage of recent events ...

Now that the crisis at the Fukushima nuclear power plant seems to be heading in a better direction, I hope at some time you and many others in the American news business can look back and evaluate their coverage of the event. From my perspective as a scholar of Japan at a major American university―one who was also in Japan when the quake hit (I left one day later than scheduled on the 13th)―I must say that the coverage was, with some exceptions, largely substandard: full of factual errors, misconceptions, and bent towards sensationalism and alarmism. It is very unfortunate that this poor coverage will probably result in many Americans having false conceptions of Japan for years to come.
Accurate, unbiased information is crucial in these crises. I was in Chiba when the first explosion at reactor number 1 took place and the lack of information from TEPCO and the government in the first few hours led to speculation that made all of us in Japan fear for our lives. But information was soon forthcoming that allowed me and all Japanese to more rationally evaluate the situation. There were―and are--still problems with getting information in Japan, but even the Prime Minister has publicly criticized TEPCO for keeping information secret and the Japanese media―as one can tell from the sometimes painfully long press conferences at TEPCO and elsewhere―are largely doing their job and asking the right questions. The national network, NHK, has repeatedly urged the continuous release of certain kinds of information. I believe this has led to significant improvements in the information out there. The Japanese networks continue to bring on specialist reporters and university professors with expertise in nuclear reactors to provide rational analysis and expert commentary.
As a result, the Japanese news coverage has been largely calm, rational, informed, and critical. Some of this is naturally to avoid creating panic, but it has been able to do that because as a whole it has answered many of the questions people have and thus gained a certain level of trust. As a media scholar, I can pick this coverage apart for its problems, and of course point to information that is still not getting out there, but on the whole it is functioning as journalism should.

It also just looks good because there is something so ugly beside it: the non-Japanese coverage. That, I am afraid, has been full of factual errors and other problems. This has not been just Fox News, but also CNN, MSNBC, ABC, and even the New York Times to differing degrees. They get the reactors mixed up or report information that is simply wrong (e.g., writing that the TEPCO workers had fully abandoned the effort to control the plant because of radiation levels when TEPCO had only withdrawn some non-essential personnel). They are perpetually late, continuing to report things the Japanese media had shown to be wrong or different the day before. They are woefully selective, bringing out just the sensational elements ("toxic clouds" over Tokyo―when in fact radiation in Tokyo now is actually less than that in LA on some days). They are misleading (implying for instance that the dumping of water from the air was some last ditch effort to cool the core, when it was just an effort to replenish the water in the spent rod pools―which are now full in reactor 3 and back to normal temperature). Colleagues have noted problems with European coverage as well, but the difference between media can be obvious:

http://www.japanprobe.com/2011/03/18/media-sensationalism-bbc-vs-huffington-post/

I for one cannot understand why ABC, for instance, could feature Michio Kaku multiple times over several days when by the time his declarations of imminent disaster, the situation on the ground had already proven him wrong.

Of course fear sells newspapers, but in unfortunate cases, the coverage is rooted in long-standing prejudices held by some Westerners against the non-West: for instance, a superiority complex that feels only the West and its media have real access to the truth, which led to a downplaying of Japanese media reports. In the worst cases, there has been simple racism, as some reporters when viewing how calm the Japanese are, seem to think the Japanese are mere robots who cannot grasp the immensity of the crisis or, as one colleague reports when a Spanish reporter interviewed her, think that the Japanese are genetically tuned to accept disaster. It is ironic that such reports assume such an attitude when, at the same time through their own inaccuracies, they show how much better the Japanese coverage is.

There are results to this irresponsible journalism. Many foreigners in Japan who do not have the language capabilities to access Japanese media or who are used to foreign media are in a state of panic, when around them Japanese are largely calm. People in California start searching for iodide pills on the internet and there are already people voicing worries about whether Japanese cars are now all going to be radioactive. But worst of all, the inordinate and sensationalist attention given to the reactors by American and other media has taken attention away from where it should be: on the likely nearly 20,000 people who died in the quake and tsunamis, on the nearly 400,000 homeless people, and on the immense suffering this has caused for Japan as a whole. I cannot but think that the low amounts of donations given by Americans to relief efforts is not at least partially the result of this warped coverage.

Some media sources are beginning to criticize this coverage:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/03/18/DDFN1ICTA0.DTL

But there could be a lot more.

TPM has of course done little original reporting on the event, but merely passed on other reports. But when the story it reprinted on the 18th stated that the situation "continues to worsen"―even though it clearly had gotten better by that time--it should begin to think about its own responsibility in participating in this media hysteria.

Japanese people and government officials will have to spend many years investigating all that went wrong in this accident. I feel it is likely that many at TEPCO and in the government will be found at fault for inadequate preparation, overly optimistic projections, willful ignorance, and just plain lying to the public. This will be an investigation in which the Japanese media will play an important part. But the non-Japanese media should also look at itself and see where it went wrong―so that it can better prepare for a similar accident which, unfortunately, is not altogether impossible in the United States as well.

Of course, now that the reactors are largely under control, Mass Media now turns to Libya with is MISSLES, AIR STRIKES, and EXPLOSIONS and only giving the thousands afflicted by the Tsunami in Japan a passing notice. Sensationalism, how I love it :rolleyes:
 
When the media kept regurgitating more or less the same kind of stuff on the nuclear plants, I sort of just phased out and half-ignored it.

Man, I'm glad I took a class this quarter which helped me realize how biased even "unbiased" news sources can be.
 
He shoots himself in his own foot:

Accurate, unbiased information is crucial in these crises. I was in Chiba when the first explosion at reactor number 1 took place and the lack of information from TEPCO and the government in the first few hours led to speculation that made all of us in Japan fear for our lives. But information was soon forthcoming that allowed me and all Japanese to more rationally evaluate the situation. There were―and are--still problems with getting information in Japan, but even the Prime Minister has publicly criticized TEPCO for keeping information secret and the Japanese media―as one can tell from the sometimes painfully long press conferences at TEPCO and elsewhere―are largely doing their job and asking the right questions.
But he sadly mistaken when he falsely claimed it was "forthcoming" later on. TEPCO has competely screwed up accurately and promptly disseminating the facts from the beginning and continues to do so. That is the real news here, not that doing so inevitably led to speculation on the part of everybody as a direct result of this intentional malfeasance on their part.

Meltdowns and Misinformation

It might be tempting to blame hysterical media coverage for this reaction, but in this case, most coverage I've seen has actually been fairly sober and cautious. The bigger problem has been the overly optimistic scenarios and conflicting information released by Japanese authorities. The public, not only in Japan but worldwide, simply no longer believes those in authority who tell them they are not in danger. This will make it difficult to manage the public response to the crisis going forward and may pose a grave risk for the future of the nuclear industry.

In an effort, perhaps, to keep the public calm, the Tokyo Electric Power Company (TEPCO) which owns the reactors, and the Japanese government which regulates them have limited the information released and constantly portrayed the situation as under control. The facts have spoken otherwise. The widening gap has now triggered a collapse of confidence on the part of the Japanese public and, it appears, the U.S. government. Brookings Institution scholar Daniel Kaufmann notes that TEPCO "infuriated Japan's prime minister, who learned of the first plant explosion at reactor 1 on Saturday from watching TV." In the early days of the crisis, TEPCO officials denied that water levels had fallen in reactors and fuel storage pools, but hours later announced extraordinary measures to pump new water in.

The only antidote to this panic is accurate, complete information. We have gotten neither from TEPCO. The Japanese government must distance itself from the now discredited power company and speak directly and regularly to the Japanese public. Officials should release all the latest information on the crisis, including radiation and water levels, worker casualties, and progress on containing the fires or -- and this is key -- the lack of progress. They must be as frank about the failures as they have tried to be reassuring about the successes. If not, more citizens will come to the same conclusion as Tokyo resident Masako Kitajima, who told Reuters, "This government is useless."

If the U.S. nuclear industry has any chance of surviving the Fukushima disaster, there must be frank talk about safety and risks. Bland statements about how safe U.S. reactors are will simply trigger the same mistrust in Americans that false assurances did among the Japanese. There will need to be a thorough, independent reassessment of the safety of all U.S. reactors, existing and planned, if the American public is to be convinced to keep them in their backyards.

At moments as serious as the nuclear crisis in Japan, we all -- experts, journalists, officials, and corporate executives -- have a duty to fully inform the public. And to trust them with the simple truth.

 
Do you have any evidence that there was absolutely no way for the company to contact the Prime Minister and say "Oh hey, there were some more explosions, thought you should know" or something along those lines?
Yes. I posted it.

Do you have any evidence that there was a way for the company to contact the PM? No. You don't. All you have is the assumption that Japan has Magic Foolproof Technology. Well, MFT (@2011) isn't gonna cut it.

I'd understand average Joe #1 and average Joe #2 not being able to contact each other at this time. But phone lines used by the government to find out what's going on at the nuclear plant that's undergoing a partial meltdown? That would be a top priority to get back online as soon as possible
No, actually it wouldn't. The first two are pulling survivors out of piles of rubble, and making sure the local nuclear reactor doesn't explode. Though some might disagree on which order those two things should be done in.

and they would certainly have it done after a few days.
They would certainly try. There's no guarantee they would succeed. Again: you can't rely on MFT (@2011) because no such thing exists.
 
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2011/03/taking_stock_3.php



Of course, now that the reactors are largely under control, Mass Media now turns to Libya with is MISSLES, AIR STRIKES, and EXPLOSIONS and only giving the thousands afflicted by the Tsunami in Japan a passing notice. Sensationalism, how I love it :rolleyes:

regarding the article, this incident is far from over. The news is now reporting smoke coming from reactors 2 and 3 (white smoke from 2, and black smoke from 3). This is the first time smoke has come from these reactors. I'd say the situation is getting worse, not better.

Of course, the news may just be making that up....
 
All I know is the news has been highly entertaining for days now. I do wish we'd get more info about what's going on with those reactors though; white and black smoke cannot be good.
 
Did y'all know that the smoke from burning wood is radioactive? And I don't mean slightly. It can be up to a hundred times background normal (which is still not a lot).

Remember that next time you're within smelling distance of a campfire or a barbecue. When you inhale the smoke you're getting more radiation than you do from standing in the visitors' lobby of a nuclear power plant. My apologies to anybody whose next camping trip just got shot to hell.....
 
Did y'all know that the smoke from burning wood is radioactive? And I don't mean slightly. It can be up to a hundred times background normal (which is still not a lot).

Remember that next time you're within smelling distance of a campfire or a barbecue. When you inhale the smoke you're getting more radiation than you do from standing in the visitors' lobby of a nuclear power plant. My apologies to anybody whose next camping trip just got shot to hell.....

I'll see if I can find the link, but I believe it was mentioned that being within the 20-mile evac radius of the plant your still recieve less radiation exposure than if you took a flight from LA to New York. For some reasons people think of 'radiation' and freak the hell out.
 
Yes. I posted it.

Do you have any evidence that there was a way for the company to contact the PM? No. You don't. All you have is the assumption that Japan has Magic Foolproof Technology. Well, MFT (@2011) isn't gonna cut it.


No, actually it wouldn't. The first two are pulling survivors out of piles of rubble, and making sure the local nuclear reactor doesn't explode. Though some might disagree on which order those two things should be done in.


They would certainly try. There's no guarantee they would succeed. Again: you can't rely on MFT (@2011) because no such thing exists.

Satellite phones? IIRC Satellites don't require land based stuff except the phones themselves. Wouldn't people running an important mission have sat-phones?
 
What I find very interesting is that the 'economic cost' to Japan is being forecast as being rather similar to what the Canadian government suffered (in deficits) during the recession. Now, paying for the recession 'felt painless' from my perspective. It's funny how money is, and the difference in utility it sometimes has.
 
This is my new favorite person.
Amid the aqueous landscape looms Hideaki Akaiwa, 43, in full battle gear.
In a nation of careful dressers, Akaiwa sports Rambo-style army pants, a blue sweatshirt, muddy sneakers, legs wrapped in plastic secured with orange duct tape, and three different backpacks

Akaiwa said he was at work a few miles away when the tsunami hit, and he rushed back to find his neighborhood inundated with up to 10 feet of water. Not willing to wait until the government or any international organization did, or did not, arrive to rescue his wife of two decades — whom he had met while they were surfing in a local bay — Akaiwa got hold of some scuba gear. He then hit the water, wended his way through the debris and underwater hazards and managed to reach his house, from which he dragged his wife to safety.

With his mother still unaccounted for several days later, Akaiwa stewed with frustration as he watched the water recede by only a foot or two. He repeatedly searched for her at City Hall and nearby evacuation centers.
Finally, on Tuesday, he waded through neck-deep water, searching the neighborhood where she'd last been seen. He found her, he said, on the second floor of a flooded house where she'd been waiting for help for four days.

It says he's still going back every day looking for survivors.
 
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