2metraninja
Defender of Nabaxica
Turning off diplomacy is a way too harsh. After all, we are all thinking humans. Diplomacy is not mandatory - those who want it will do it and those who dont will not. Negotiating, making deals, keeping and breaking them is part of the human nature. Why we would want to remove such a natural part of a interaction between humans as the diplomacy?
I've never seen a game where someone got isolated completely. And if he fell in this situation, it is no one else's fault but his own. And what - if we remove diplomacy, will this change somehow? Will people be more willing to sign OB with anyone who possess the Great Lighthouse?- if you build Great Lighthouse other team wont OB with you
Diplomacy is a deal. You decide what deal you want and what deal you cant accept. It is up to you to agree or not.- you will have to divide wonders between allies
It is also one option. I personally have never heard of such kind of deal, but it can be done if there are two teams who agree to and see fit in it.- i give you ivory, but dont make war elephants
But thats part of the beauty in the game when playing humans! Humans cant be so easily manipulated as the AIs in to non-beneficial to them deals. And not using diplomacy will degrade the game to something like many duels put on one big map to be played simultaneous. Also if you cant speak your terms and make a deal with your neighbor, it will turn the game in to something like a big dice throwing - do your neighbor decides to attack you this turn or not. And what if 2 neighbors decide to attack you on the same time? Or what if 3 decide to attack you? Your whole game is ruined by pure coincidence and there is nothing you can do about it.- and many many strange and imho even stupied things
Forever peace is something which should be not agreed to at first place, but even if it happens, this is their choice. If a team is so competitive, that he cant accept being at second place, and was so stupid to sign eternal alliance with someone, then maybe his pride will be stronger than his honor and he will break his oath? I hardly can believe that in such a competitive game between so many communities things could happen just like that. Every team will try his best to win, if not for anything else, by pure local chauvinism.And what is the worst you will get several peace treaties including so known "forever peace. At some moment one side will realize that it is unfair for it. It is allways only fair for one side but you cant allways understand it in time. What then? Play for the second place? this is the key problem, the problem that makes somebody start playing against you directly wasting everything just to change your civics or other examples."
Well, diplomacy takes some time. If you are good, or you propose deals, to which no one can refuse, it will take less. With some teams it will be harder to agree, while with other it will be easier. But this is a Democracy team game. Even ruling your own nation is supposed to take a lot of writing. Diplomacy in my opinion and experience is way less time and keystrokes consuming part.You will have to spend a lot of time writing messages trying to trade better conditions.
It is a human thing. If you've been nice trough the agreed period, and if you feel need to have this nation as ally for next period, and those feelings are mutual, then you re-sign deal. If not, thats what the agreements and written deals are for - once it is over, you are not obliged by it and you can act however you feel is best for you.How do you tell em that there is no more rose garden over here.
Just like attacking someone with superior military power is unfair and frustrating to the losing side, just like out-building and out-teching someone is unfair, just like being randomly attacked simultaneous on two fronts in ancient times in games without diplomacy allowed is unfair, but no world nor game is perfectly fair and if we could possibly do something ourselves as thinking humans to avoid being on the receiving end of the world or game unfairness, this is the diplomacy. Removing diplomacy will severely dumb down the game in my opinion.It takes too much time. It is never fair and mostly allways frustating.