SGOTM 04 - Murky Waters

LowtherCastle · May 18, 2007

All right, over to you JERFit.

Played 10 turns. Had a few events.

Research

We finished MM and Steam Power, traded for Rifling. We have coal but not hooked up yet.
G didn't finish squat and his gold revenues are dropping...
Gave Isa Steel and next turn she had Democracy, but G didn't seem to have anything new...

Cities

Shuffled the deck a bit. We now own Gaz, Cordoba, Durnovaria, Istanbul, and razed Vienne East.
G now owns...

Spoiler :

Murky Waters. Karak is our new capital.
Take a look at our Culture Graph!
Furthermore, G is at the doorstep of OS and 2 tiles from Cape Fish. The Worker Bait Program is in full swing.

Wonders

M finished Versailles.

Peace

M decided to talk 1 turn after we revolted to Emancipation and USuff...so I penalized him by taking Istanbul while waiting for our revolt to end.

Turnset log:

Spoiler :

JERFit · May 18, 2007

Got it.

Donate some gold and something else? Can we tell who she could've traded with.

That was a big culture drop.

I'm guessing the drops in revenue with Ghandi are from war weariness. Is there anything we can do to stop this?

LowtherCastle · May 18, 2007

JERFit said:
Got it.

Donate some gold and something else? Might help, but she's getting so advanced, I'm not sure G's got anything for her. Keep an eye on it. Can we tell who she could've traded with. I couldn't. Maybe she researched it herself.

That was a big culture drop.

I'm guessing the drops in revenue with Ghandi are from war weariness. Is there anything we can do to stop this?

Right, plus just getting our cities going. Didn't help that he pillaged all the gold mines. That's what got me sending the wkrs there--stop the pillaging. Lo and behold, he munched all the way to MW!

In NH, at pop17, you'll be able to work all the hammers.

Good chance you can lure another Grenadier out of NS to capture either MC or Karak. Just feed him one wkr after the other, but I don't think you need one in the city when he gets next to it, We're running out of wkrs! You might even make more wkrs in a city with maxed out pop.

I think we should keep Stone Islamd (for the stone), but maybe give Isa Horse Island.

Start building a factory asap in NH. Keep spamming misses. I think it's a good idea to fill H with Jews, so put the Hindus where there's already a Jew (e.g., Altanta).

We can't poprush anymore, so you'll have to build health and happy bldgs where needed. Otherwise, do what seems right and GOOD LUCK!!!

(Might as well play at least until you complete Ass Line.)

Erkon · May 19, 2007

Great play! Rofl at the UN! Waster! It was your fault...

JERFit · May 19, 2007

Ok, I'm going to play now, I'll upload in a few...

Erkon · May 19, 2007

Build units :-D

JERFit · May 19, 2007

Turn 2 update

Ghandi has captured OS. I'm gonna try to coax him into capturing MC and CF next.

When should I give Izzy horse isle? After I give Isa horse isle, should I declare as soon as I have some units set-up?

I traded H for Communism, I gave him Physics.
Should we build the Kremlin?

JERFit · May 19, 2007

Turn 3, nothing really seems to have happened.

Is Nh supposed to be building West Point? (nevermind)

JERFit · May 19, 2007

Turn 6 (?)

2 turns from assembly line.

Izzy has broken free from M. Ghandi has taken Samarqand

Also, forgot to mention that I built a military academy in Edirne a few turns back.

JERFit · May 19, 2007

Ran 100% for 1 turn and finished my turnset a little early.
Ghandi's frigs are running rampant destroying and pillaging everything in sight. Ghandi just received a new GG.

Finished Assembly line.

Izzy built herself a new city, about 4 N of her capital.

Spoiler :

LowtherCastle · May 19, 2007

Sounds great, JERFit! Well played!

Erkon · May 19, 2007

Lots of good news. Can we gift horse island to M? Nice play.

LowtherCastle · May 19, 2007

JERFit said:
Ran 100% for 1 turn and finished my turnset a little early.
Ghandi's frigs are running rampant destroying and pillaging everything in sight. Ghandi just received a new GG.

Finished Assembly line.

Izzy built herself a new city, about 4 N of her capital.

JERFit, I think you uploaded the wrong save or forgot to save after finishing your last turn. The save you uploaded is 1643 AD but Isa hasn't settled yet and we still show 2 turns to Ass LIne at 70% reseach (1t at 100%).

JERFit · May 19, 2007

Then I uploaded the wrong save, >.<, let me try reuploading, sorry.

Ok I reuploaded. I uploaded the wrong save because I saved the most current game into the wrong sub-folder. WOTM9 instead of SGOTM4,

The rest of the turn-log.

Spoiler :

JERFit · May 19, 2007

Erkon said:
Lots of good news. Can we gift horse island to M? Nice play.

We probably could, if not then he will accept it eventually. Izzy is already willing to accept anything you throw at her.

LowtherCastle · May 19, 2007

JERFit said:
Ok I reuploaded. I uploaded the wrong save because I saved the most current game into the wrong sub-folder. WOTM9 instead of SGOTM4,

Yeah, that happens to me. It would be nice if you could assign a default folder so it always went automatically to the right one. Save looks great. Very well done, JERFit.

LowtherCastle · May 19, 2007

Notes for BP's turnset

MM
NH needs the two coastal tiles re-assigned and watched to make sure the governor doesn't get stupid on us. Build factory asap after WP, then grocer so we can grow pop to about pop19 or pop20, whatever it is that will support the 2 additional engineers, plus turn 1 more wkshp into farm (iirc). All the while working all 4 engineers. If we switch to State Property, then we need to re-figure how many wkshps we can have with teh extra food.

Gifting G techs

Isabella and W are now too advanced.
M may move up to cautious w/G if he gets 1 more plusmod. That will happen, I think, in at most 8 turns after we DOW, maybe sooner, not sure. Then he becomes our best candidate to trade with G.

DoWing M

We can upgrade 6 Grens/t, all 28 (+1 free) in 5 turns.

Possible Plan

We go 0% research for 5t, upgrade all our Grens.
Just before DoWing M, we consult the tech table and gift M techs for G (currently Steel and Steam Power appear to be the right ones).
Gift Isa Horse Island
Then DoW M and Isa, etc.
When WW gets really painful, we could revolt to State Property and Pacifism, but hopefully spam Jews into all of H's cities first.

LowtherCastle · May 20, 2007

JERFit said:
I'm guessing the drops in revenue with Ghandi are from war weariness. Is there anything we can do to stop this?

D'oh! D'oh! JERFit, you have to keep asking questions, especially the ones the rest of us are too stupid to ask...

Guys, we have to think more like Gandhi... We spammed all those HIndu Misses into his future cities and now they're unhappy because G is fighting with Brethren, among other reasons. Hello?

EMERGENCY!! I think G just sent us a hand-written request to switch religions to Buddhism asap (as in TURN ZERO, BP!)

Then we can spam Buddhist Misses in

Ning-hsia
Vienne (if we're going to build something other than units)
Bibracte
...

and Jewish misses in H-Land, forget about Hindu misses for now.

Erkon · May 20, 2007

The drop comes from city maintenance too. It may be better to switch to FR?

LowtherCastle · May 20, 2007

Some more notes on MM:

We're not spamming Bud and Jew Misses right now, I think they're more important than Mil Units. (The single Hindu can be postponed immediately)
Verlamion: work the new cottages, switch build now to Harbor
Vienne: Should build only units (or Scotland Yard?), not bank. Might as well work irrigated farm instead of S/SW cottage and build wkshps on the 2 undeveloped cottages and the unirrigated farm.
Bibracte: Have to keep an eye on it, because it's been working a scinetist and now there's no way we can prevent it from popping a GL before NH. Anyway, work a tile instead of the sci.
Gergovia: Switch build immediately to Jew Miss to spam in Gaz so we can gift it back to M in advance, if we want to take all his other cities.
Besh: Aqua and Gren both good builds but maybe JewMiss even better for now.

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