SGOTM 13 - Unusual Suspects

kcd_swede · Mar 5, 2011

The Simple Mind said:
Got the save & will test exploring with wb no2 v wb no3. Hopefully post a plan later today.

Cool. This is going smooothly and fast.... I'm a little suprised that other teams are going as fast as us. I guess the objectives are simple. OK, we have the lowest posts/turn count there is. Lets keep it that way. Not too many jokes then.

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Deckhand · Mar 5, 2011

narri said:
An update on the computer front: I had to get a new computer because various parts of my laptop broke. Luckily, my hard drive is still functional enough to try transferring data. Unluckily, I can't get BUFFY to work with Win 7 64-bit without a "Hof can't write settings, thus games are invalid" warning. Will keep working on that.

I was very frustrated last year when my computer died and I bought win 7 64 bit.
You have to run with admin privileges, described at HoF link kcd posted.

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narri · Mar 6, 2011

It looks like I'm back. Managed to attach the old hard drive and boot from it. After some agonizing driver installations for the new hardware, it looks like everything is sane.

By the way, I had already tried everything from the Vista/Win7 fixes page to no avail. Well, doesn't matter now anyway!

Deckhand · Mar 6, 2011

@ narri, Grats! :goodjob:

So, you are On Deck.

If you haven't already, start and play some turns on a recent BOTM game with current BUFFY mod to ensure saves and everything works properly.

kcd_swede · Mar 7, 2011

narri said:
It looks like I'm back. Managed to attach the old hard drive and boot from it. After some agonizing driver installations for the new hardware, it looks like everything is sane.

By the way, I had already tried everything from the Vista/Win7 fixes page to no avail. Well, doesn't matter now anyway!

Don't forget to check your .ini file to autosave every turn! Sometimes it reverts to default (4 turns) when you make changes to the system.

And as Deckhand mentioned, we now have you in slot #4. So TSM is the ACTIVE player, and Narri is ON DECK.

TSM... how's the testing going? Let us know what variations you are looking at and we'd be happy to help you out some.

The Simple Mind · Mar 7, 2011

Hi Team,

My apologoes for not contacting sooner but I'm not going to be able to play this week due to a problem at work. Would it be possible to get a swap as I don't want to hold up play?

kcd_swede · Mar 7, 2011

The Simple Mind said:
Hi Team,

My apologoes for not contacting sooner but I'm not going to be able to play this week due to a problem at work. Would it be possible to get a swap as I don't want to hold up play?

I don't know... Narri probl'y needs that long to get into the swing anyhow. We are not pressed for time at this point. I don't forsee any deadline issues coming up. So my vote is that we can wait for next week when you have more time. If you have tested and found that disaster is lurking... to bad. You don't get out of it that easy. :lol:

If you think you may be tied up longer than that, we'll punt to Narri though.

That's my vote. But let the captain decide for sure.

Vra... you listening? :satan:

Indiansmoke · Mar 7, 2011

I don't see a reason to not swap turns? Swede you can play this set and then TSM can be on deck fro next one?

Deckhand · Mar 8, 2011

Indiansmoke said:
I don't see a reason to not swap turns? Swede you can play this set and then TSM can be on deck fro next one?

What are the current open questions?
Tech path? Sailing.
Builds? boat for exploring
Others?

If kcd has time, he could at least play until there is an open question.

kcd_swede · Mar 8, 2011

OK... I can swap.

I have built a test save to check the wb2 vs wb3 (unfortunately did not load BUFFY mod first, but for this it should suffice). See attached if you want to play ... note the dates are wrong.

Are we already in Slavery? (NO) I assumed yes, so the game is at t45 status (i.e. after wb2 builds, with Sailing selected as next tech).

What I find with my test is that getting a galley + settler is tech-limited by sailing. That is to say, there is no reason to chop our only trees.

I have tested a variety of micromanagement techniques, but nothing improved the "galley plus settler" status better than 19t (or rather, turn 19 in my test game, which is actually 16 or 17 turns from now iirc... but I'll stick to the numbers in my test game for now)

wb2 exploring seems "smoother" and better timed (with appropriate MM), but the numbers don't lie... exploring with wb2 would cost us 1 turn.

So...
Pre Play Plan for tech to Sailing:
1) Select Sailing... (t0)
3) Finish wb2 (t1) and improve clam with it (t2)
2) Revolt to slavery after wb2 completes (t1)
4) build wb3, working max food.
5) complete wb3 and explore (t9?)
6) build settler... 2-pop whip it when 1 turn left to Sailing. (t16) End turnset with eye to future:

7) overflow to galley (1t to let overflow get registered)
8) 1-pop whip galley at size 3, overflow to lighthouse (grow back to 3pop in 2t). (t18)
9) galley + settler ready to launch (t19)

10) "Other stuff": pause set for discussion if AI met or barb galleys spotted; worker will road the corn first, then pre-chop the forest down to 1-t... then road everything else (mostly useless tasks but we're paying him so lets make him work).

The only question about this is what to tech AFTER sailing. However, I would propose my actual set (which I swap places with TSM for this round) only go to sailing, whipping the settler and putting galley in queue and then end turn and save game so we can discuss the new questions). Well, the main question about this is whether "fastest settler + galley" is really what we should be doing. But none of us seem to have any better ideas for the moment, so we'll have to make it work.

If anyone wants to use my test game, they are welcome. If you want, you can make a worldbuilder save from it, then launch as a scenario AFTER you start the BUFFY mod, and you will have this in BUFFY, as that makes things more convenient.

PS-- to get the food right (I hope), I had to run a couple turns hammers into a baracks, (thats why the turn numbers are screwy) so any barracks build will be misestimated by my test save.

Ooops... the server isn't taking attachments, as you can see by the notice at the top of the page. :sad:

I'll attach it whenever they get that fixed.

Indiansmoke · Mar 8, 2011

Do we have a test save? I could try some tests tonight if we do... Your plan Swede seems good generally, not certain about some details and would like to check.

vra379971 · Mar 8, 2011

kcd_swede said:
Vra... you listening?

*mumbles something that sounds like "I approve.."*

In terms of a proposal, we should consider if we are looking to be building wonders - if so, Masonry next would be wise, and Wheel in there too.

kcd_swede · Mar 9, 2011

Indiansmoke said:
Do we have a test save? I could try some tests tonight if we do... Your plan Swede seems good generally, not certain about some details and would like to check.

I have a test game, but due to forum problems (see "Notices" above) it is impossible to attach it to a post. Image hosting sites only allow you to attach images, not files.

I'm going to try some tricks using the staff pages to get it on the server from where I can link it. Give me a few minutes...

Nope... didn't work... I can get it on the server via FTP protocol, but don't know how to get the public link to work.

However, I have heard in the pre-game discussion Fifth Element (or was it XTeam) offer to let folks use their test map that they made for SGOTM13... its in their SGOTM12 thread which is open to the public now that SGOTM12 is done. Lets see if I can find you a link to that.

Here's a test game by another team... starts from turn 0 so you'll have to play it forward to our present position. (Or just edit it forward in WB).

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=10201220&postcount=1647

kcd_swede · Mar 10, 2011

4) build wb3, working max food.

Just want to point out that what I meant to say was working improved tiles, with food taking precedence over mines. Not literally "max food".

So... have you had a chance to test anything, Indiansmoke? Any comments on the plan, anybody?

Indiansmoke · Mar 10, 2011

No chance to test yet...will try to find some time tonight.

Indiansmoke · Mar 11, 2011

Sounds good Swede Green from me.

I tested 3 pop slaving settler by growing to size 6 but it does not seem better. Also tested staying pop 4 and exploring but it does not seem better either.

kcd_swede · Mar 13, 2011

Thx IS. I've got one "green" now, and if I interpret Vra's cryptic mumbling favorably, that's two. Anybody else want to turn me loose? :scan:

kcd_swede · Mar 14, 2011

I'm still waiting for a green light... :sleep:

Indiansmoke · Mar 14, 2011

kcd_swede said:
I'm still waiting for a green light...

You waited enough, play it

kcd_swede · Mar 14, 2011

Indiansmoke said:
You waited enough, play it

Okie dokie...

no protests or open arguments, so I agree. Will play it and report within 16 hrs.

SGOTM 13 - Unusual Suspects

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