Rome and Roma. Problem solvedI think Italy is not going to be in, because of the complication that you would have two civs whose capital has the same name.
Rome and Roma. Problem solvedI think Italy is not going to be in, because of the complication that you would have two civs whose capital has the same name.
3 from Africa is also very likely IMO, but 3 from Asia seems unlikely to me...It's unlikely we'll get three civs from Asia. I'd be pleasantly surprised if got Assyria, Indonesia and some other Asian civ(Burma or Vietnam would be nice), but it seems unlikely to me. Most likely there's going to be 2 civs from Asia, 2 from Africa, 2 from the Americas and 3 from Europe.
I say Florence would be a better choice. Then there's no naming dilemma.Rome and Roma. Problem solved
Rome and Roma. Problem solved
Rome and Roma. Problem solved
Very trueThe main point is, you continue naming "city states" - but the period of city states in Italy was remarkably short, more or less from 1150 to 1250. After that, the Communes congealed in republics and princedoms and dukedoms and kingdoms, which waged war between themselves and others. I see difficult to represent Venice as a city state, for example, when it conquered and conquered and conquered to nourish its trade economy, establishing a veritable archipelago empire; more or less in the same period, in 1395, Gian Galeazzo Visconti bought the title of Dukedom for the Margraviate of Milan and started a series of conquest that, had he not died of plague in 1402 (almost alone in his army - bad luck at its finest), would have ended in dominion over Northern Italy and the conquest of the Iron Crown of Lombardy. Italy was not "squabbling lordlings ruling over a couple of huts and a cathedral"; using City States and pretending it's a good way to do it is out of this world. No, I will not rage if Italy is not in, but the current arrangements are very, very far from truth.
I've already said, have Florence as the Capital. It was the center of the Renaissance. As it was a bunch of city states there was no capital anyway, so Florence would make the most sense, both in terms of history and gameplay.Civilization 5 is sold in more languages than just English. Your suggestion might not work in Italian for example.
Civilization 5 is sold in more languages than just English. Your suggestion might not work in Italian for example.
I've already said, have Florence as the Capital. It was the center of the Renaissance. As it was a bunch of city states there was no capital anyway, so Florence would make the most sense, both in terms of history and gameplay.
This is true. But there still are 3 things in favor of Italy (Scenario, Trade, Great Works).I don't think the Uffuzi means anything one way or another with regards to the likelyhood of Italy or any variation thereof being in BNW.
This is true. But there still are 3 things in favor of Italy (Scenario, Trade, Great Works).
Nah, we definitely need more of Europe, I mean, we only have:
Austria
Byzantium
Celtia
Denmark
England
France
Germany
Greece
The Huns
The Netherlands
Rome
Russia
Spain
Sweden
Poland
I mean, that's only 15 of the 35 known in the game...
There are certainly difficulties with an Italian civilization. The Rome thing is not a small deal. For starters, Firaxis has a fairly consistent rule of preferring the modern capital when using a now united Nation-State with a past history (Germany and India are other examples). Second, Firaxis tends to be fairly consistent in using the English name when widely known (so Roma wouldn't work). Third, although skipping Rome is a possibility (Florence was equally important in the Renaissance and was the capital of modern Rome), Italy without Rome is just incomplete (hence why they wanted to take Rome from the Pope and make it the capital) and an Italy that is based on Renaissance Italy would definitely lack something without Rome.
In addition, while there are thoughts of Renaissance Italy, it would also evoke modern Italy, which is less impressive (Amo l'Italia, ma è vero ). Also, you're depriving quite a few logical City-States that would have to be replaced (Florence, Venice, Milan, Genoa, Vatican City) and even other candidates who could be added.
I much prefer Venice. It's a much "cleaner" candidate that doesn't have nearly the same difficulties.
I think it'd be better to leave Italy and its city-states for other Civs,as they are very well represented with so many city-states . Actually,this applies for any other European Civ,now that more than 1/3 of all civilizations are from there .