Karmic Knight
Neurotic To the Bone
Turkey would never agree to an alliance, not with Atatürk long dead, and Military Access would do us no real good, as the Bosporus requires us to be allied with Turkey.
The road to Moscow - A French Hearts of Iron II AAR
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Turkey would never agree to an alliance, not with Atatürk long dead, and Military Access would do us no real good, as the Bosporus requires us to be allied with Turkey.
The Greek Front
(Note: the Greek forces were actually conquered by the UK so thats why there are no Greek armies)
An Overview:
Ive highlighted the troops under our control:
Nov Pazar:
19 infantry divisions (1941) Yugoslavia
2 Cavalry divisions (Tech 1) Yugoslavia
1 Mountain division (1942) Yugoslavia
Pristina:
4 infantry divisions (1941) Yugoslavia
2 infantry divisions (1943) France
Sofia:
1 infantry divisions (1943) Republican Spain
Edessa:
3 infantry divisions (1941) Yugoslavia
As the troop numbers reveal we have quite a lot of troops cut off from France and in all likelihood those troops are going to be pushed back to Greece as the UK doesnt have enough troops to hold the line on the East. We have something like 10 transports scattered around the world so we would not be able to do a Dunkirk in one go although its a short journey to southern Italy.
A possible escape route:
(Green provinces are Victory Points under our control, Red are controlled by the enemy)
Case Against:
Skopje is a Yugoslav victory point so added to the two in the north it helps us to ensure that Yugoslavia is not annexed and additionally there are 2 factories in Pristina and another in Skopje. Primarily though if we move our forces out then its pretty much assured that the UK will be pushed into Greece where there troop concentration might allow them to hold the line.
Additionally if we were to adopt the escape plan over land then we are reliant on the Axis capturing the provinces that we are abandoning rather than the Soviets. It would be something of a disaster to allow the Soviets to capture a border next to the Italian front.
Case For:
The UK do not have enough troops and the Soviets can commit their entire army if they wish which means that it is only a matter of time before the remainder of Bulgaria is captured. The three Greek border provinces would likely provide a defensive line however by that point we would have lost the remaining Yugoslavian provinces in the south. Right now the German troop concentrations are low on the coast so this could be our best opportunity to capture those provinces and expand the Italian front in Northern Yugoslavia.
Our remaining troops:
A quick scout around Iberia, Italy and Africa indicate that we have 22 divisions scattered in various provinces that are theoretically protecting against any invasion by our enemies however given the naval supremacy of the US and UK we could afford to move most of those units to the front.
Likely future actions: (unless convinced otherwise)
- At least half the troops on the Greek front are going to be moved to the Italian front
- The majority of our reserve troops are going to be moved to Italy
- We are going to attempt to re capture the Yugoslavian coast line with Sarajevo the furthest in land target
- We are going to hold the line in the north and re position around 40% of the troops in Amsterdam to Ultrecht
- We are going to focus on producing tanks and aircraft
- Finally we will hope that the allies can progress well against Japan in the east.
(Note: the Greek forces were actually conquered by the UK so thats why there are no Greek armies)
An Overview:
Ive highlighted the troops under our control:
Nov Pazar:
19 infantry divisions (1941) Yugoslavia
2 Cavalry divisions (Tech 1) Yugoslavia
1 Mountain division (1942) Yugoslavia
Pristina:
4 infantry divisions (1941) Yugoslavia
2 infantry divisions (1943) France
Sofia:
1 infantry divisions (1943) Republican Spain
Edessa:
3 infantry divisions (1941) Yugoslavia
As the troop numbers reveal we have quite a lot of troops cut off from France and in all likelihood those troops are going to be pushed back to Greece as the UK doesnt have enough troops to hold the line on the East. We have something like 10 transports scattered around the world so we would not be able to do a Dunkirk in one go although its a short journey to southern Italy.
A possible escape route:
(Green provinces are Victory Points under our control, Red are controlled by the enemy)
Case Against:
Skopje is a Yugoslav victory point so added to the two in the north it helps us to ensure that Yugoslavia is not annexed and additionally there are 2 factories in Pristina and another in Skopje. Primarily though if we move our forces out then its pretty much assured that the UK will be pushed into Greece where there troop concentration might allow them to hold the line.
Additionally if we were to adopt the escape plan over land then we are reliant on the Axis capturing the provinces that we are abandoning rather than the Soviets. It would be something of a disaster to allow the Soviets to capture a border next to the Italian front.
Case For:
The UK do not have enough troops and the Soviets can commit their entire army if they wish which means that it is only a matter of time before the remainder of Bulgaria is captured. The three Greek border provinces would likely provide a defensive line however by that point we would have lost the remaining Yugoslavian provinces in the south. Right now the German troop concentrations are low on the coast so this could be our best opportunity to capture those provinces and expand the Italian front in Northern Yugoslavia.
Our remaining troops:
A quick scout around Iberia, Italy and Africa indicate that we have 22 divisions scattered in various provinces that are theoretically protecting against any invasion by our enemies however given the naval supremacy of the US and UK we could afford to move most of those units to the front.
Likely future actions: (unless convinced otherwise)
- At least half the troops on the Greek front are going to be moved to the Italian front
- The majority of our reserve troops are going to be moved to Italy
- We are going to attempt to re capture the Yugoslavian coast line with Sarajevo the furthest in land target
- We are going to hold the line in the north and re position around 40% of the troops in Amsterdam to Ultrecht
- We are going to focus on producing tanks and aircraft
- Finally we will hope that the allies can progress well against Japan in the east.
Most of them were in Belgrade but then Nis to the right was lost so we had to make a tactical withdrawal. We could move some to the east however our best hope of winning is likely to concentrate on one enemy at a time.
Maniacal
the green Napoleon
How would Italy fall if we lost Greece? (Naval invasions are unlikely). Although I do agree we should not lose Greece, but we cannot afford to lose all the troops in Greece. We must either hold, and if we cannot, then we must breakout unless we can evacuate by sea.
Maniacal
the green Napoleon
I do believe they are.
Jos Ballenbak
Zombiehunter, duh.....
Yes we are at war with the Russians, that's why it's the road to Moscow and not to Berlin.
But I think we can feel pretty good about ourselves if we could reach Berlin in our current position.
Is that uber Hungary?
Nis-Vraca-Sofia-Gorna Dzhumaya-Salonika could provide a good defensive line (rivers, Bulgarian mountains). We could also try encircling that Soviet army in Varna. (we are at war with the Reds, da?). By the way, how is the state of our navy at the moment? Could we create some diversion up north?
Nis-Vraca-Sofia-Gorna Dzhumaya-Salonika could provide a good defensive line (rivers, Bulgarian mountains). We could also try encircling that Soviet army in Varna. (we are at war with the Reds, da?). By the way, how is the state of our navy at the moment? Could we create some diversion up north?
Patroklos
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Just out of curriosity, why are you so light on armored divisions?
I notice that you seem to be completely unsuited for mobile warfare with the bulk of your divisions being leg infantry? Why are you so light on motorized and mechanized infantry?
See if you can create some manuver armies in this template.
3 Armored Divisions = I Corps/LTG
3 Mororized Divisions = II Corps/LTG
------------------------------------------>HQ Division/GEN
3 Armored Divisions = III Corps/LTG
3 Mechanized Divisions = IV Corps/LTG
With this set up you can either have the overall Army commander bring all 12 divisions to bare on a single provence or keep him in reserve and just have him double one of the Corps commanders so that they can attack with six into two provences (of course if you have a Field Marshal in command you can up the attacking force to 18 divisions, letting any infantry tag along).
The key here though is that these types of corps move fast and allow for breakthroughs. Unlike the infantry hobbled forces I see you using, mobile corps can attack into the next province immediately and usually get there before the retreating infantry can set up (usually annihilating those divisions). Meanwhile, your leg infantry follows behind securing the previously conquered province.
I notice that you seem to be completely unsuited for mobile warfare with the bulk of your divisions being leg infantry? Why are you so light on motorized and mechanized infantry?
See if you can create some manuver armies in this template.
3 Armored Divisions = I Corps/LTG
3 Mororized Divisions = II Corps/LTG
------------------------------------------>HQ Division/GEN
3 Armored Divisions = III Corps/LTG
3 Mechanized Divisions = IV Corps/LTG
With this set up you can either have the overall Army commander bring all 12 divisions to bare on a single provence or keep him in reserve and just have him double one of the Corps commanders so that they can attack with six into two provences (of course if you have a Field Marshal in command you can up the attacking force to 18 divisions, letting any infantry tag along).
The key here though is that these types of corps move fast and allow for breakthroughs. Unlike the infantry hobbled forces I see you using, mobile corps can attack into the next province immediately and usually get there before the retreating infantry can set up (usually annihilating those divisions). Meanwhile, your leg infantry follows behind securing the previously conquered province.
Yes however the Greek front is our only border with them and they should not be able to launch a naval invasion so they are a limited threat if/until Germany falls.
Yep and it was mainly due to German attacks from troops based in Hungarian provinces which has lead to the expansion. The good point is the axis consists of only three nations so we should have a tech advantage in the long term.
To answer the last question, primarily we have focused on infantry as they are cheap and the best unit for holding a defensive line in Belgium which is what the first five years of the game were about. Since them we've begun to focus more on mobile units although I agree that we don't have enough. At present I don't think we have the latest mobile infantry tech so it will probably be a number of months before we can start building them. We do have the latest medium tank tech though which is what we've been building recently.
Jos Ballenbak
Zombiehunter, duh.....
What about Germany's relationship with SU, is it likely for them to end up in a war.
Serutan
Eatibus Anythingibus
Just out of curiosity, how did you wind up at war with the Soviets?
They declared war on the UK midway through 1941 around the same time that Italy joined the axis.
There should be an update for the next two and a bit months soon.
The tasks of the month began in earnest:
- Reorganisation of Greek front
- Convoy operation launched to bring outlying troops to Zagreb for a potential assault.
Soon after redeployment of forces began in the northern front also began with troops moving south from Amsterdam to Ultrecht.
Combat:
Our navy was outgunned in Venice against a massive German fleet. Fortunately no transports were sunk whilst 5 Spanish vessels were. This was a bit of a worry as we now have no navy at all apart from destroyers and transports however the positive factor is that the German fleet appears to be happy to sit along the Venetian coast and our transports never encountered the enemy.
Research:
We completed research of an improved brigade and started researching better escort fighters as we lag behind in this area and it makes our planes more vulnerable.
Renault complete research of ‘Frontline repair shop’ and began researching offensive fighter box to improve the effectiveness of our interceptors.
We completed research in one of the nuclear techs and began researching a tech to improve our energy usage as we had a blue print for it
New builds:
10th tank division completed. (V)
We built two infantry units (43 inf)
Production is currently focused on 2 tank and 4 infantry production items with our airforce production items halted for the time being. We could replace a couple of the infantry builds with another tank production line although I will probably wait until the next infantry units are recruited before doing this.
Italian Front:
Build up of troops in Zagreb:
10 existing divisions
12 arrived
10 troops on the way and nearly there.
3 divisions still being transported.
The two newly recruited infantry divisions and the tank division are awaiting further builds before being deployed to the front and are currently stationed in Venice. 2 French divisions were moved from the Greek front to Zagreb as they were the only units that I can actually transport from the Greek front as Yugoslavian troops will only obey orders to board their own transports and they have none.
When all the additional units have arrived in Zagreb we will have 40 divisions which should give us a decent chance in any proposed attack. We will definitely have 10 tech 5 tanks and may have 11 or 12 depending on how long we expect to wait. The troops can be redeployed if required.
11 divisions have been moved from Amsterdam to Ultrecht for a possible future attack and to bolster the defence of the city.
On the Greek front we repositioned the Yugoslavian armies so that there is a more balanced front:
In terms of the stated re organisation of our forces we are well under way although it looks like will be late September by the time our troops are fully ready to fight and the first signs of winter will be approaching.
Bad news from the east:
I would have preferred good news but it wasn’t surprising and I’m still hopeful that the US will eventually begin to make progress in the east. Even a stalemate would not really affect us as long as the US planes continue flying over Germany.
- Reorganisation of Greek front
- Convoy operation launched to bring outlying troops to Zagreb for a potential assault.
Soon after redeployment of forces began in the northern front also began with troops moving south from Amsterdam to Ultrecht.
Combat:
Our navy was outgunned in Venice against a massive German fleet. Fortunately no transports were sunk whilst 5 Spanish vessels were. This was a bit of a worry as we now have no navy at all apart from destroyers and transports however the positive factor is that the German fleet appears to be happy to sit along the Venetian coast and our transports never encountered the enemy.
Research:
We completed research of an improved brigade and started researching better escort fighters as we lag behind in this area and it makes our planes more vulnerable.
Renault complete research of ‘Frontline repair shop’ and began researching offensive fighter box to improve the effectiveness of our interceptors.
We completed research in one of the nuclear techs and began researching a tech to improve our energy usage as we had a blue print for it
New builds:
10th tank division completed. (V)
We built two infantry units (43 inf)
Production is currently focused on 2 tank and 4 infantry production items with our airforce production items halted for the time being. We could replace a couple of the infantry builds with another tank production line although I will probably wait until the next infantry units are recruited before doing this.
Italian Front:
Build up of troops in Zagreb:
10 existing divisions
12 arrived
10 troops on the way and nearly there.
3 divisions still being transported.
The two newly recruited infantry divisions and the tank division are awaiting further builds before being deployed to the front and are currently stationed in Venice. 2 French divisions were moved from the Greek front to Zagreb as they were the only units that I can actually transport from the Greek front as Yugoslavian troops will only obey orders to board their own transports and they have none.
When all the additional units have arrived in Zagreb we will have 40 divisions which should give us a decent chance in any proposed attack. We will definitely have 10 tech 5 tanks and may have 11 or 12 depending on how long we expect to wait. The troops can be redeployed if required.
11 divisions have been moved from Amsterdam to Ultrecht for a possible future attack and to bolster the defence of the city.
On the Greek front we repositioned the Yugoslavian armies so that there is a more balanced front:
In terms of the stated re organisation of our forces we are well under way although it looks like will be late September by the time our troops are fully ready to fight and the first signs of winter will be approaching.
Bad news from the east:
I would have preferred good news but it wasn’t surprising and I’m still hopeful that the US will eventually begin to make progress in the east. Even a stalemate would not really affect us as long as the US planes continue flying over Germany.
Maniacal
the green Napoleon
I see Canadian troops in Greece! Woo!
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