[R&F] [1.0.0.216] Mongols' Ordu production cost bug

[bbufa]

(Quick save) It tooks 999+ turns to complete Ordu
(Autosave) Barracks (cost 90 productions) takes 6 turns, Ordu (120 productions) takes 26 turns???
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I tried swapping ordu with a scout, it did not work, still 999+ turns left. However gold purchase doesn't seem to be bugged.

 

[twyxx]

Do you know what policies you had slotted? Seems like Veterancy military policy might be bugged with the Ordu.

 

[Inhalaattori]

I also had this bug when I was running Veterancy policy card.

 

[bbufa]

yes, i did use Veterancy card

 

[LordMuadDib]

I have the same bug. I did use the Veterancy card many turns back and I no longer have it selected, but the bug still remains.

 

[twyxx]

Do you happen to have a save before you captured Nodwengu? Looks like you captured Alhambra. That may be bugging the extra military slot somehow? Not sure, this is a tough one to figure out. I still have not seen it in my games yet.

 

[cugel]

Here the same problem; don't think I have ever had anything to do with veterancy or Alhambra this game.

 

[twyxx]

Yeah, I finally had it occur today. It only happened to one city. All the other Ordu were fine. Never had veterancy slotted or Alhambra. Think veterancy just magnifies the effect and causes the 999+ turns or negative production, but doesn't really have anything to do with the bug itself. I couldn't figure it out though. Have no idea what was special about that one city that caused it.

 

[cugel]

Alhambra hasn't been build yet, but I checked and it is true that I have used the veterancy card several times though that is now already many many turns ago. All cities cannot build Ordu's so reluctantly I have to build barracks which is a waste when you are the mongols.
I should say though that I find the game slightly boring. This is the first time that I play Rise and Fall. First I spend 3 days plodding on to turn 200 about. Then I gave up. Other stuff to do. Now I'm approaching turn 300. That is crazy!!! Where is a good strategy game that you can play in a lunch break?? I will have spend all my free time during a whole week and over by the time I finish this game. Where is the incentive then to start on a second game? Yes, perhaps with a seriously over powered civilization so that I fly through it. But then, what is the fun in that?

 

[aguliondew]

So this bug maybe because of the veterancy card? I got my first Orda up but the rest cost more than any wonder I would even consider. Its happening in all of my city but I got the first one up.

 

[HyJinkx]

I ran into this problem tonight and since it ruined my game I figured I would take a look into it. I can’t say exactly why it’s doing what it’s doing but it is the Veterancy card causing it. Moreso it’s when you in any way move the card once you’ve slotted it.
Example: Turn 65 add the card encamp 1 4 turns for barrack and 6 for Ordu.
Turn 66 Remove card or move it. barrack 4/barrack 8/Ordu
Turn 67 Add card back. 4/barrack 8/Ordu
Turn 68 Remove card. 4/barrack 14/Ordu
Turn 69 Add card. 4/barrack 14/Ordu
Turn 70 remove card. 4/barrack 54/Ordu

So, each time you remove or even move the card to another slot it just increases the amount of turns to build the Ordu. The production cost in the tooltip stays the same which for me was 60 production since I was testing on online speed. Now what’s more painful is if you just the card from the wild card slot to the Military policies slot this is worse because you get the effect every turn instead of every other turn. With that test I was at 999+ by turn 69.

Turn 65 before ever adding the Veterancy card.

Turn 69 after switching the card back and forth between the wild card slot and the military policy slot.

I can’t say if it will effect any encampment that is not already built when the change takes effect. I had one built in every city and every encampment was effected.
Edit: I rechecked and it does effect any encampment after the card has been used and moved. The price to buy them stays normal though of course.

 

[KiwiGeezer]

The Veterancy card gave me a lot of trouble today, making it just about impossible for me to complete some of my Harbors and Encampments. Initially, this card worked as advertised: +30% production on these districts and buildings. Eleven turns later it was a 30% *penalty*. And after thirteen turns, the penalty was massive -- so I abandoned that game and reverted to the savefile I created *before* I selected Veterancy.

I have learned -- the hard way! -- to always savefile before selecting a production-boosting card, and to keep an eye on production rates. Up to now I thought the defect was limited to the Culture Industry card but now I think it very hazardous to select *any* production-boosting card!

On the bright side: not selecting any production-boosting cards will make playing Civ6 at Deity level a bit more challenging

And... I'm *guessing* that 2k has pulled the plug on civ6 development. If I'm right, then we'll just be living with the defects in the April 2021 patch.... and I think Veterancy is a nasty trap for the unwary in that version.

Refs:

* https://forums.civfanatics.com/thre...-999-production-on-specialty-districts.667936 : avoid Culture Industry. My postings appear at the end of this thread.


* https://forums.civfanatics.com/thre...icy-25-towards-non-specialty-district.664204/ : yes indeed, avoid Culture Industry!


* https://steamcommunity.com/app/289070/discussions/0/3050609385674700312/?ctp=2 : Culture Industry is really really hazardous if your game is entering the Atomic Era.


* https://forums.civfanatics.com/thre...rdu-production-cost-bug.628169/#post-15055850 : avoid Veterancy !


* https://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/basilikoi-paides-production-bug.629854/#post-15064438 : Basilikoi Paides can be impossible to construct even if you aren't using Veterancy... but perhaps the Culture Industry card was in play?

* https://support.2k.com/hc/en-us/articles/360018034593--Gathering-Storm-Wonders-Taking-999-Turns : partially-diagnosed Wonders defect... with a 2k-suggested workaround... suggesting to me that the production boosts were especially hazardous cards to play whenever a patch was being rolled out... well ... my best guess is that 2k will continue to sell Civ6 without paying anyone to repair its current crop of defects. If my guess is right... then the folks on 2k-support will be in a really nasty position until such time as 2k makes a clear announcement at https://support.2k.com/hc/en-us/sections/206390527-Civilization-VI that they aren't going to repair any more defects!