100k, whats the best way?

[azzaman333]

I've been trying to do some 100k attempts lately, but i've realised i dont know how. Is it best to get the ToA early? How should i go about building wonders? What gov should i use? I have sofar been using Republic. How far should i research? BTW, I'm not trying on a level higher than Regent, since i'm (a) too lazy and (b) not experienced in 100k.

 

[Bartleby]

What's your mapsize? Bigger than standard you'll be better off with PTW. In C3C most people seem to go with building ToA, get into Feudalism and rush Libraries & Cathedrals and not research Education. I've never really tried this, I prefer to stick with Republic. It's still going to be a lot of work though.

 

[azzaman333]

I've been trying on Tiny, to reduce the time needed. ICS is the best city placement i assume, since more cities = more culture per turn. Its one thing reading about how to do 100k though, but another to put it into practice and have enough patience to go through the whole game.

 

[superslug]

Bigger than standard you'll be better off with PTW. In C3C most people seem to go with building ToA, get into Feudalism and rush Libraries & Cathedrals and not research Education.

Quite true!!

ICS is the best city placement i assume, since more cities = more culture per turn.

Also very true. The first thing you need to do is pick your Civ. From there I'd stack the deck of the AI so you can quickly sort through mapfinder starts until you have a settler factory start location and can pop ToA off an SGL. Drop cities everywhere, and aside from settler factories, just build what you need in the way of workers and military then focus on nothing but cultural buildings.

Don't get Education or ToA will expire, and don't be afraid to plant/chop forests on every tile. The Mayans are a traditional choice for this gametype.

 

[azzaman333]

Also very true. The first thing you need to do is pick your Civ. From there I'd stack the deck of the AI so you can quickly sort through mapfinder starts until you have a settler factory start location and can pop ToA off an SGL. Drop cities everywhere, and aside from settler factories, just build what you need in the way of workers and military then focus on nothing but cultural buildings.

Don't get Education or ToA will expire, and don't be afraid to plant/chop forests on every tile. The Mayans are a traditional choice for this gametype.

What civ would you recommend? So far ive tried Babylon and Byzantines, for the higher chance of SGLs and cheap libs.

 

[Obormot]

Play as the celts, go for the republic slingshot and build lots of gallic swordsmen, conquesr the world and build ICS towns on every piece of land where you can squeese them and lots workers to irrigate everything (actually 2 irrigated grass tiles per city is enough). Rush settlers with money. Capture pyramids and ToA, if no AI builds ToA then build it yourself. After you ICSed everything switch to feudalism and poprush libs and cathedrals. Don't build any culture untill you have conquered and ICSed everything. Research only AA techs, monotheism and feudalism.

 

[Karl_t_great]

When playing regent and below the ai wont give much opposition. OTOH You wont get many useful cities from the AI. Here's my recipie for low 100k.

For the map I'd take aged panagea min water, to allow cities placed as tight as possible, I usually employ a square grid leaving a few holes around capital to keep my core productive. Run the mapfinder to find a map with high domination limit - to keep Your borders below it.

Suitable tribes are rel -sci and rel - agri, I personally favor the Babs for the cheaper libs.

You need to build/obtain 2 wonders Pyramids and ToA (in this order). If You are extreamly lucky You get 2 AA SGL otherwise You build the pyramids and arrage a cascase for the ToA, Then take it by force ASAP.

The game itself is rather boring, Your core should be pumping settelers, each new city will whip a lib then cathedral when available, then start building more settelers & workers. I usually spare the colosseum later due to poor gold&shields/culture ration.

Except for the core You should not buld anything but culture, most cities won't produce much gold/shields and at some point Your economy will start stalling due to maint cost (when You have to stop expansion You can balance this by applying tax collectors).

At lower levels I go first for masonary-then litterature -polyteims. Forget republic and mona, never lay down Your whip. Suitable opponets will help You thru the AA, I often prefer expansionist to make them contact me as early as possible.

Do not expect to get it right the first time, and be prepared to throw away 9/10 starts early on.

 

[Moonsinger]

I've been trying to do some 100k attempts lately, but i've realised i dont know how. Is it best to get the ToA early? How should i go about building wonders? What gov should i use? I have sofar been using Republic. How far should i research? BTW, I'm not trying on a level higher than Regent, since i'm (a) too lazy and (b) not experienced in 100k.

For fast 100K culture, I recommend going to Feudalism ASAP. Pop-rush is the key. Build a lot of settler factories. Build as many cities as closed as possible (perferably 2 squares apart; note, you can't place city any closer than 2 squares apart). Play as the Babylonian (scientific and religious); farming and religious, or farming and scientific civs are also good. Don't waste time on the ToA (don't forget that normal temple will double its culture every 1000 years, those free temples from the ToA do not...plus you don't want to hold back on Education), use your first SGL on the Pyramid.

//sorry, I probably forgot something...since I haven't played Civ3 for awhile.

 

[Marsden]

Don't forget the difference between turns and years. Your 1000 year culture bonus is based on a 1000 years, but in the begining that's only 20 turns. In the middle that's 100 turns. Especially for your Universities, if you can build them in the late BC early AD you'll get maximum bonus for them. Anything built after 1000AD won't really get a bonus unless the game goes past 2000, which is kind of bad.

Here is an example of what I'm trying to say. You are building your University. It will be done in ten turns. It's 10AD. Ten turns later its done in 210AD and it will double in 1210AD. Now go back to 10AD and rush it. It will double in 1010AD which is 20 turns sooner, by rushing only ten turns, you've gotten 20 extra turns of bonus culture. Multiply that by all your towns and it can be huge.

 

[The 777 Hoax]

This is very helpful... I've been trying for some 100k victories as well. I have to ask though, what does ICS mean?

 

[Dianthus]

ICS = Infinite City Sprawl. Basically you try and fit as many cities as possible onto the map. For 100K it's more about getting lots of cities producing a moderate amount of culture rather than a few cities producing ultra high levels.

 

[sanabas]

This is very helpful... I've been trying for some 100k victories as well. I have to ask though, what does ICS mean?

Infinite city spacing sprawl. I think. Basically jamming in cities as close together as possible.

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Sort of like that.

 

[Mistfit]

ICS = Infinite City Sprawl

It is the practice of placing cities as lose together as possible (2 tiles) to maximize the amount of cities you have whilst staying under the domination limit. Used heavily in Culture and Milking games.

Nice little link here City placement Guide in the War Academy

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wow what a helpful bunch we are... 3x X-post

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Although I am the only one to get the name right

 

[superslug]

Order. Order. This meeting of Crossposter's Anonymous will now begin.

 

[Dianthus]

Edit 1:
wow what a helpful bunch we are... 3x X-post

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Although I am the only one to get the name right

I can edit posts as well .

Just to make this post more worthwhile, here's a minimap of my Tiny Monarch 100K game:

That was around 100 cities on a tiny map! I did some writeups here.

 

[sanabas]

Just noticed Dianthus' sig. I now have a new scientific theory: Neal Stephenson causes crossposting. I'm currently reading The Diamond Age.

Extra crossposts would be a small price to pay for getting everyone to read Snow Crash though.

 

[The 777 Hoax]

Wow, those were some good answers... all at the same time