1962 Cuban Missile Crisis-Close to Nuclear war

[Fayadi]

Have any of you read the history of 1962 cuban Missile crisis!The most exciting incident of the cold war!If misnegotiation happened the war will be bigger than WW2!!!Lets recall the story!By the way,I think Soviet will win the battle if war started ,hell they got lotta nuclear arms on Cuba!Lets recount the history!!I did read the history! but too lazy to summarise now,I wanna highlights important facts,it is lucky the US president then was Kennedy has it been Bush!Nuclear War would have started!Here is a good site on the incident! http://library.thinkquest.org/11046/?tqskip=1 Lets recall the history together!What would happened if it really happened!






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"Nuclear catastrophe was hanging by a thread ... and we weren't counting days or hours, but minutes."-Soviet General and Army Chief of Operations, Anatoly Gribkov

 

[shirleyrocks]

I don't think ANYBODY would have "won the battle if war had started." It's called nuclear war...complete annihilation of the human race doesn't produce too many uh..."winners".

Although I'm sure lawyers would have figured out a way to get something out of it.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

There was not going to be a war, unless the Americans started it. The Soviets knew they couldn't win. They bluffed, the Americans called it. Game over.

 

[Fayadi]

haha!You are the first American to underestimate the Soviets!The whole forces of Soviet at that time were very excited to fight with the US!The high communist leaders criticised Kruschev for pulling out the missiles from Cuba.Kennedy has been the one desperate for peace !If USSR is not as powerful as US ,why the helll they call it cold war.These kind of war must not be one sided!

 

[shirleyrocks]

Originally posted by Fayadi
haha!You are the first American to underestimate the Soviets!The whole forces of Soviet at that time were very excited to fight with the US!The high communist leaders criticised Kruschev for pulling out the missiles from Cuba.Kennedy has been the one desperate for peace !If USSR is not as powerful as US ,why the helll they call it cold war.These kind of war must not be one sided!

Yeah Kahran, you are the first American to underestimate the Soviets. Apparently, you are also the first American from Ottawa, Ontario.

Anyway, back to this inane thread...'Kennedy has been the one desperate for peace'...well I certainly hope so. It would make me sick to learn that Kennedy, or even Kruschev for that matter, was desperate for war. Does being 'desperate for peace' somehow make one weak?

And also, although I'm sure I have about as much of an idea as to the true mindset of the Soviet military in the 1960's as you do, I highly doubt the Soviet Union OR the United States would have been "very excited" to fight the other country. Everybody knew what a fight would have meant. And, outside of a few whacks, nobody really wanted that.

My real question is ... Why do you seem to take pleasure in talking horrible crisis up so much? It appears to me anyway as if you enjoy the fact that the world almost lost it. :crazyeyes

 

[joespaniel]

No, actualy he just gets off making alot of false claims about American intention.

The missle crisis was the closest this little chunk of rock has come to obliteration since those big lizards were still walking around.
Fortunately, it ended as it did.

 

[Apollo]

Originally posted by Fayadi
By the way,I think Soviet will win the battle if war started ,hell they got lotta nuclear arms on Cuba!

You seem to have forgotten why Turkey was so well-liked by the West during the Cold War. The US had a sizable arsenal of nuclear weapons on Turkey through much of the war, just a few-second flight away from major Soviet cities. So if that is the sort of thing that decides who wins in the annihilation of life on Earth, then the US was in a much better position for a much longer time than the USSR.

BTW, in english you end sentences with a period ( . ) rather than an exclamation point ( ! ).

 

[Fayadi]

Soviet Union High Communist Officials criticised Kruschev for pulling the missilies out of cuba.They said it seems like a loss to the Soviets.Those official definitely must be wanting for war I guess !Soviet will be the first one to fire the nuclear missiles,The Soviet commanders in Cuba is asked to fire the nuke in the case of American soldier invade Cuba!From what I know a country who first fires the nuclear will be in a better position to win.Do you know the massive destruction of SS-18?

 

[cataclysm]

All right people, got to clear up some history, cause there seem to be some misunderstandng of what actually occured in the crisis.

to sum it up:

1. US builds silos in Turkey, serverly pissed off the Soviets
2. SU helps comrade Cuba. Shipped equipments thru Pacific
3. US satellite revealed soviet nuclear missiles. opps
4. Entire US Pacific fleet(6 carriers) surrounded Cuba
5. US declared any missile launched from Cuba against US is an act of SU and there will be retailation
6. US issued ultimatum of removing missile sites, in 1 day
7. Up to this point:
1) SU's missiles sites aren't finish, missiles not ready to launch
2) if a war broke out, they will be fighting a war far away from home
3) US overestimated the SU power
8. As you see, SU is in a tough position. Agreement was made in the same day between the two leaders. SU will remove missiles from Cuba in exchange of US remove their share in Turkey.
9. hotline was established.
10. Fayadi, sorry but again I must inform you your anti-American attitude isn't doing you any good. Look, this is not the best place in the world to address YOUR justice. Please leave us along, thanks

 

[animepornstar]

well, i think fayadi should stay. it´s better if people have different opinons. if places where everyone is thinking in the same way, it´s no thinking at all, you know.

how ever, i must add that the reason to why a war was so close to break out was that the us miltary(and some others) wanted to invade cuba.

 

[Simon Darkshade]

OK, you post a link to the site that in sections details the missiles used, namely the SS4 and SS5, then you go off into your fantasy world about the SS-18. Get your facts straight.
"From what I know a country who first fires the nuclear will be in a better position to win."
This truly encapsulates the height of your knowledge and attitude. No one would win in a full scale nuclear exchange, and I concur what was previously said about your seeming relish at the prospect of nuclear war; it is rather silly.

 

[cataclysm]

Originally posted by animepornstar
well, i think fayadi should stay. it´s better if people have different opinons. if places where everyone is thinking in the same way, it´s no thinking at all, you know.

Since when did I ask him to leave? All I'm requesting is he should keep a part of his opinion to himself. It annoys me when I see it in almost every thread he post(cause I was and still am trying to enlighten his vision of human world).

how ever, i must add that the reason to why a war was so close to break out was that the us miltary(and some others) wanted to invade cuba.

They do. Cause they want to remove the missile sites in Cuba. However, why did they put up theirs in Turkey in the first place?


Original quote of the day
"In a nuclear war, mankind is the loser"

Really, I am the one who came up with it

 

[donsig]

There were many Cuban exiles in the US and many Americans (especially in the military and CIA) who wanted to oust Castro and remove communism from the western hemisphere. So there was an element in the US that wanted war and there were probably also those in the Soviet Union that wanted war as well. There were also many people who did not want war and I think these included both JFK and Nikita Kruschev. They did after all find a way to avoid the war. It was all part of the cold war game. The Soviets looked as though they 'lost' but in reality they succeeded in removing the US missiles from Turkey.

The thing about the missile crisis is how close this 'game' came to actual nuclear war. Bluffing and calling in poker is one thing, with nuclear missiles it is quite another! I think both sides eventually realized this and establishing the hot line reduced the probability of an 'inadvertant' war.

The most interesting aspect of this (to me) is how it fits in with attempts to end the Cold War. Some historians think JFK was moving towards detente with the Soviets but his assassination ended those attempts. I for one think JFK was killed in order to prevent this detente. His murder may even have been an attempt to turn US public opinion against Cuba and communism in general.

 

[Ohwell]

Originally posted by donsig
The most interesting aspect of this (to me) is how it fits in with attempts to end the Cold War. Some historians think JFK was moving towards detente with the Soviets but his assassination ended those attempts. I for one think JFK was killed in order to prevent this detente. His murder may even have been an attempt to turn US public opinion against Cuba and communism in general.

What do you mean the CIA killed Kennedy? Since when?. Anyway, I thought Nikita Kruschev was really wanting to have a war with the US, he was crazy about it! I saw a program on the History Channel about it. He had brought the missles to Cuba with the intention to launch. Though he could have been a little more covert, I mean, whos gonna suspect a ship a week from Russia? But no. They had to send the whole armada at once. They could have pulled it off. The missles would have launched, and retaliation would have been impossible, as the missles were obviously short range and medium range missles, they are the ultimate in surprise. I also believe the Soviets had a number of nuclear attack submarines, near canada and the north pole. So NEVER underestimate

 

[Fayadi]

I am not Anti- American,I used to love America
I just love the Russia,nono I dont like communist,but how Russia alone deals with the WHOLE NATO.Russia is very daring ,i like their daring atitutede.So dont misunderstand of Anti US
Russian woman are lovely and their language sounds unique
I was wrong to say Soviet will win the war,it is totally wrong,i was overexcite that time
Nikita Kruschev putting missiles at Cuba is just wanting to balance the missile arms of Cold War.If US can put missile at Turkey why cant the Russian?Again I am not Anti US

But a new Question ,do u all find the Cold War seems to be interesting??

 

[knowltok]

Russia alone? Perhaps we have forgotton the East Germans, Poles, Czechs, Romanians, Hungarians, and any others I may have left out. Most of Eastern Europe was client states of the Soviet Empire. Taking a look at the map today you could even include Ukranians, Estonians, Latvians, Bello-Rus, Tajiks, Kazaks, etc. The Russians had many peoples that they had subjigated over the years ready to help them in facing down Nato. Now some of those nations are in Nato.

Strange that those nations didn't admire the Soviets as much as you do.

 

[polymath]

I'm half Polish, the Russians were a bunch of gimps - they seem OK now though, but who knows?

 

[vonork]

I’m not so convinced that there were only sane people in charge under the cold war. You only have to look at the massive nuclear arsenals. Newsweek had an interesting article a way back there they showed how ONE US submarine equipped with nuclear missiles: around 142 warheads would take out over 50 millions of Russians and most of the important military installations in the west of Russia. Now consider that both sides had over 10.000 nuclear charges – now that’s not sane. There is just no reason to build up that kind of arsenal, the only reason to me seams to be the sandbox fight.

US-general: Buhu, they have two more nuclear warheads then we have that’s not fair.
Sane-person: But we have more nuclear warheads then needed to annihilate the entire world?
US-general: I don’t care they have more missiles then we have I want more.
(Then repeat for the opposite side and you have a nuclear arms race.)
(Exchange nuclear warheads to “the green truck” and you have kindergarten kids.)

 

[knowltok]

While I tend to agree with you, take a look at another sane, insane exchange:

Insane General: We have twice as many missles as they do! We can attack and win!

Sane Person: But they still have enough to completely destroy us. We can't win.

Insane General: Didn't you hear me? Twice as many. That always wins! Attack!


When dealing with idiots its better to keep the math simple.

 

[donsig]

What do you mean the CIA killed Kennedy?

Who knows? JFK was certainly at odds with the CIA. One thing I learned from reading about the assassination is that no one knows what the CIA does. We in the 'normal' world tend to look at the CIA as a single entity with employees who have a defined job to do and who act within a set of rules (even if those rules are not the same the rest of us are bound by).

BUT - the work of the CIA is based on secrecy which is maintained by mis-information and dis-information and other types of propaganda. I doubt they keep records of all their activities. It is also not a sincle coherent entity. The left hand of the CIA may not know what the right hand is doing. Even the idea of working for the CIA is sketchy. There are agents, double and triple agents, contract employees and people who merely get money from the CIA to do various things. The CIA does not enjoy full control over any of these categories.

There were certainly many people (inside and outside the CIA) who wanted JFK dead and benefitted from his death.

It has been pointed out in this thread that we should not assume that everyone involved in the Missile Crisis was sane. True but I think the main leaders (JFK and Kruschev) were sane. They were also politicians. I don't know much about Russia but in this country after WW II (for the first time in our history) our arms industry was maintained at high levels during peace time. This industry demanded profits which would have been tough to come by in a world full of happy countries all friendly to each other. Ike tried warning us but we did not listen...