In Panzer General, the AI is almost always on the defense. They hardly move their units save for to respond to the player's actions, masking most AI deficiencies. Mind you, I found the game to be distinctly unfun to play ('I move my tank, so they pop out and kill it? Ok, now to try from a different hex... Oh, there's another invisible anti-tank gun hidden over there. Fun game; see ya!'), so I didn't play any further than the first map. But it's what I've heard most people say about it.santoo said:Why? Weren't the older strategic wargames, like the Panzer General series mostly 1UPT? IT's been a looong time, but their AI was fine, IIRC.
I could speculate as to the reason for this, but I don't want to risk getting infracted for trolling.santoo said:Strange thing: the impression I get from reading replies so far seems to be that most people prefer MUPT. According to the poll however, there's currently a 2/3rd majority for 1UPT...?
Who is "we"? You play whatever version of the series that tickles your fancy but for sure you don't speak for me.
Strange thing: the impression I get from reading replies so far seems to be that most people prefer MUPT. According to the poll however, there's currently a 2/3rd majority for 1UPT...?
Thanks for the explanation, that in fact makes a great deal of sense.In Panzer General, the AI is almost always on the defense.
Really? I would be perfectly fine with stacking civilians and making them "transparent" to military and consider it an improvement - blocking people with civilians feels cheap and annoying....and yet you see people defending even this baffling decision every day...
Because if you're okay with it, it'd be either a reply to a MUPT advocate or a "I'm fine with the status quo" which doesn't really warrant the effort of making a full reply (and doesn't really add to a discussion, since it's just "I like that").Strange thing: the impression I get from reading replies so far seems to be that most people prefer MUPT. According to the poll however, there's currently a 2/3rd majority for 1UPT...?
It's also a factor that most of those who prefer stacked combat have moved on to other games; this is the BE forum, which means that few mupt fans are likely to be hanging around (since the poor combat AI with 1upt is a stickling point in buying and playing the game to most of them). So the sample is somewhat skewed in this respect. There's really no forum to reliably conduct this poll within; perhaps if it was on the actual front-page of the site, but I'm not sure what the procedure to make that happen is, if indeed it is even possible.Lord Tirian said:Because if you're okay with it, it'd be either a reply to a MUPT advocate or a "I'm fine with the status quo" which doesn't really warrant the effort of making a full reply (and doesn't really add to a discussion, since it's just "I like that").
Oh yeah, that's obvious, I was just addressing the disparity between the poll and the discussion.It's also a factor that most of those who prefer stacked combat have moved on to other games; this is the BE forum, which means that few mupt fans are likely to be hanging around (since the poor combat AI with 1upt is a stickling point in buying and playing the game to most of them).
I fully agree, that asking this question in the CIV5 or the CIV4 forums would yield very different results.It's also a factor that most of those who prefer stacked combat have moved on to other games; this is the BE forum, which means that few mupt fans are likely to be hanging around (since the poor combat AI with 1upt is a stickling point in buying and playing the game to most of them). So the sample is somewhat skewed in this respect. There's really no forum to reliably conduct this poll within; perhaps if it was on the actual front-page of the site, but I'm not sure what the procedure to make that happen is, if indeed it is even possible.
Oh yeah, that's obvious, I was just addressing the disparity between the poll and the discussion.
While technically true, it's easy to make the right choice after you study the AI's decisions for a while. Mostly you just need bows, the more, the better. If you have enough, with enough upgrades, you literally *only* need bows plus one unit to take cities (and then Artillery and Planes, i.e. super-bows, once they become available). How this is better than stacks I'll never fathom.Started with Civ II (but played Civ 4 the most) and I dislike MUPT and prefer 1UPT.
MUTP as implemented in Civ II/III/IV is even less of a challenge for the human and allowed for no variety at all. Terrain and positioning now actually plays a role; the SoDs of earlier civs got old really fast; check number of arts, check highest attack Chance, attack rinse and repeat until everything is dead. Even if they decide to go back to MUPT they need new mechanics.