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2nd Prime Faction Elections

Discussion in 'Civ4 - Demo Game IV: Polls' started by Lord Civius, May 17, 2008.

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Who shall lead our people out of Anarchy?

Poll closed May 20, 2008.
  1. Freedom Coalition

    18.8%
  2. Arkadian Populace Regime

    81.3%
  1. ravensfire

    ravensfire Member of the Opposition

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    Correct - I didn't follow up on your response. To be honest - it had minimal details and specifics, just the broad generalities that were in the platform. I really didn't consider it much of an answer to my question. Hey - if you don't worry about answering a question in detail, I'm not going to worry about pushing you for that answer.

    <pulls out the Soapbox>
    YOU (not you specifically, KWP, but you meaning anyone in an election) are trying to convince me to support you. I'm not going to keep trying to pull answers out of people - I did that last term and the Triad Cartel kept calling foul. If a Faction wants to run things, they need to convince me to support them. And after the Triad, that's not going to be easy.

    The DG has two parts that need to be balanced - the Giv IV game (game play), and the DG (metagame), with each part having RP and "real" aspects. In order for everything to really work, the leadership of the game (at any given point) needs to organize, lead and coordinate all major aspects. The Triad focused a lot of effort on RP, but virtually none on organization or leadership. We had the most active RP going since Civ3 DGII. Except all of that RP was disorganized and mostly fluff. Toss in the Triad's method of ignoring people (and even worse bluntly saying exactly that), and the result was the worst 1st term ever in the DG. And we've had some ugly, ugly first terms.

    <pulls cover off of the handy rock next to him>

    Here's what I think needs to happen for the DG to get rolling again.

    1. Organization
    Our soon to be new Prime Faction needs to make certain people in charge of certain gameplay aspects. Member A runs area 1, Member B runs area 2, etc. ALL decisions about that area are made by that person. If they're smart, they'll use discussions/polls for the basis of those decisisons.

    As much as possible, that person should work to keep discussion somewhat in RP terms. It's easier than you think, and can add some neat aspects to the game. Instead of "Hey, Ravensfire - build a cottage here", try "Milord Ravensfire, people have begun to congregate near the turn of the river, south of town. Might I suggest that we establish a market there, and encourage a small village to develop? In time, it should develop into a nice town, providing us with steady revenue." Same thing - but which one looks better?

    2. Leadership
    People respond to leadership in good ways. We got scattered leadership mixed with dictators. Oh, yeah - they were just "roleplaying" a "Despotism". Yeah - real good for the game. There's lots of ways to roleplay things, and the worst was chosen. Don't fall into that same mistake!

    Work on making the long term plans, then figure out how to implement those plans. If the plan is to "Conquer country Y", then all areas should work towards that plan. Get that national goal(s) in place, prioritize and start figuring out how to make them happen.

    3. Involve everyone.
    There's a fair number of lurkers around - see the vote totals? Much higher than active participants. Lurkers - people that like to read and follow along, but not post - are citizens as well AND the best source of new posters! Polls WILL keep them involved, because it does give them a say. Don't expect them to post, and for the love of Pete, don't require them to post - it won't happen.

    Involve ALL citizens in the decision making process and governing process. That should be fairly obvious.

    4. Focus the RP on a few things
    Random threads of RP are good - people create a new idea and see where it goes. When possible, try to work those into the gameplay aspects though. Building a new cottage for a town? Got a RP joust tournament starting up? Hmmm, maybe have one happen in the other, and include aspects of that new market being built in the middle of the story. Planning an attack? RP an archery competition? Sounds like some military training, with a competition between the different units preparing for the attack ...

    5. Don't be afraid to try
    Try new stuff, see if it works. If it doesn't, say it failed and go on. Can't do on-line game sessions? No problem - run one off-line. Whatever - take a new idea, examine it for flaws, fix them and try it. Listen to the feedback of others - lots of ideas HAVE been tried and either succeeded or failed.

    6. Most important - keep the game going
    More than anything else, you've got to keep the game going. Long delays between game sessions without activity KILL the DG. As long as there are significant planning discussions, some delay is okay. If you go too long though, people lose interest.

    My personal suggestions for the APR (assuming the trend continues) ...
    -- Create 2-3 areas (offices, for the vets) and put someone in charge of each. This should happen the day the elections are finalized.
    -- Create and post a short-term goals thread - 10-15 turns of plans. Run 3 game sessions of 5 turns each, 1 day apart (play, off, play, off, play). This is to get the game going again. On-line for the first if possible, and RP the transition! The rest - on-line or off-line, it doesn't matter.

    -- Get the national goal(s) established while this is happening. 1-3 goals for you to accomplish in your term. Discussions and polling - but have it done in a week. This should be coordinated by the Faction leader and reps.

    -- Once the goals are established, each person in charge of an area should work on getting their area focused on those goals.

    Once things are up and running again, try to contact everyone that's stopped participating, and invite them back. A short note, but tell them what's going on, how things are running and some links to various threads. You CAN get people back, but you've got to give them a reason to come back.

    Good luck!
    -- Ravensfire

    EDIT: Holy <blankety blank blank>! Did I really type that much? Sorry for the mini-dissertation!
     
  2. Lord Civius

    Lord Civius Emperor

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    You can abstain DS if you don't want to choose between factions. I personally think the faction system is on its last leg anyway.
     
  3. ravensfire

    ravensfire Member of the Opposition

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    I noticed that as well, while working on my response, DS. *shrug* We're fairly set in our ways, maybe we should let the newer folks go through some of the same things we have. They might come up with something new, or might end up with similar views for us.

    (For the newer folks, DS and I are referring to the the convention that polls referring to specific people (or groups) should be marked as Private)

    -- Ravensfire
     
  4. Lord Civius

    Lord Civius Emperor

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    Ravensfire :goodjob: . I think that is the best DGame 101 I've ever read. With players like you still here I now have a little faith the system may survive. KWP we need organization and leadership if we are to save this game. Make back up plans for your backup plans.
     
  5. Lord Civius

    Lord Civius Emperor

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    Sorry me again :blush: . I thought we decided to make the PF Election polls public. I was just trying to get the game rolling. It was obvious APR was going to be the next PF and everyone was asking who's gonna do the poll. So I just did it, sorry for the mishaps :sad: .
     
  6. Cyc

    Cyc Looking for the door...

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    Bah! You did the correct thing here, Lord Civius (nice name). Having a public poll shows exactly how many true followers the game has, whether they be posters or lurkers. Bravo, and thanks. :goodjob:

    And the game info does seem a little barren. But I went with the APR because of it's apparent membership.
     
  7. Lord Civius

    Lord Civius Emperor

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    Thanks Cyc and the APR will try and fix the game info problem. I have been appointed the Sr Diplomat (Gameplay) and will do my best to keep the people informed about foreign affairs, Intelligence and Espionage.
     
  8. vra379971

    vra379971 Deity

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    I have just two quick things to add.

    1) I've not been around personally because of life, and because I'm Captaining a SGOTM team, which tales up my already limited forum time.

    2) Someone needs to be appointed Communications Manager or the sort, and this should really be confirmed in the core rules. A nice PM to folks when a new faction takes power would be great (and this fellow should be a rep of the P-IN-P) and keeps everyone interested.

    3) We put up news when less worthy things of note happen in the Civ world...why oh why aren't regular game updates posted on the news page? It would make for great publicity and remind/draw in players.
     
  9. DaveShack

    DaveShack Inventor Retired Moderator

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    I think the easiest way to do this is to create a thread that people can subscribe to, though they'll get an email instead of a PM that way.

    For some time now I've had an offer open (though it's probably hard to find :crazyeye: ) to post announcements and news whenever there is news to post. However, you really don't want me writing the actual article, someone with more creativity should do it.
     
  10. joncnunn

    joncnunn Senior Java Wizard Moderator

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    Perhaps someone in both factions could post:

    1. Which Civic(s) they intend to run

    2. Weather or not they plan to adopt a state religion, and if so which?
     
  11. Lord Civius

    Lord Civius Emperor

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    Well it looks like the elections are over and APR is the new PF. A communications position is a great idea though we could use a more RP friendly term. I'm getting with KWP about organizing the Faction a little better and getting non-PF citizens involved. Hopefully we can do this within the next couple of days and get the first turn-session in by the weekend. I know KWP said he can't do the turn-chat so that will have to be the first priority to name the turn-player unless he plans on ding it off-line. Keep the suggestions coming as we hope to keep all citizens involved.
     
  12. Seidrik_The_Gray

    Seidrik_The_Gray Seidrik The Gray

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    Thank you all for your support! I made a personal decision not to look at who voted for whom, and I don't care to know. I do think elections should be private.

    @ Raven: You raise several great points. I hope to work more closely with those who have been "...down that road..." so to speak more so than myself. I will now run off and try to get us organized.
     
  13. Vandal Warlord

    Vandal Warlord Nazgûl

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    Heh, I knew it! Although I voted for FC, I knew the APR was going to be the next PF.

    PS- No I will not rebel just for the hell of it;)
     
  14. Duke Blackstone

    Duke Blackstone John Marchman

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    Congrats APR!! We knew you would win and you came through. And I'll try not to be too rebellious. I do ask one thing though. Make everything public. Plans, screenshots, saves, strat discusions, all of it. :) and don't get all French and tell me to eat cake. In other words, please don't get too tyranical ok?
     
  15. dutchfire

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    [party] We won :D
     

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