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2nd Prophet

Discussion in 'Civ5 - Strategy & Tips' started by Lucius_, May 4, 2013.

  1. digrosz

    digrosz Dirty Frank

    May 1, 2013
    The Netherlands
    Enhance it all the time, baby
  2. Sidor1982

    Sidor1982 Warlord

    Oct 1, 2012
    Wow, am I the only one who thinks, that spreading the religion with the second prophet is on many occasions a better choice?

    I usually take Tithe and therefore benefit strongly from my religion in enemy cities. Therefore expanding my religion the fastest (in most cases before they have their own religion) to get the early pressure without foreign religions declaining it is the way to go. Of course I'm aware, that I can loose some of the better follower beliefs that way, but usually there will still be at least one worth taking. Spreading the religion early to 4 enemy cities gives you more than adopting Itinirent Preachers earlier, but you have to choose the cities wisely (not necessarily ones next to each other so that they apply pressure on a larger area). Additionally you don't get negative modifiers from civs from expanding your own religion, since they do not have theirs yet. A religion spread that way will be extremely difficult for the AI to get rid off, and expands later by itself, and such a strategy won't work with missionaries, cause they aren't as strong as prophets and have attrition. You'd need 3-4 missionaries to get as much religion spread as one prophet so in faith cost and mostly time it is a better option (for such a strategy of course, I can think of other strategies where enhancing would be better).
  3. nanomage

    nanomage Longbowman

    Mar 12, 2008
    msk, rf
    By the time you get your prophet up and running you would already have converted 2 neighbour CS's with a missionary and one or two of your own small cities might be pressure-converted as well.
    I'm against the idea of converting enemy capitals because your religion will get wiped out of there as soon as they invent their own. I'd only spread with the second prophet if I'm sure I'll have the third one from HS in the nearest few turns.
  4. Catan_Settler

    Catan_Settler Prince

    Jan 23, 2008
    I always enhance with the second prophet, however usually I will try and get myself a "free" second prophet using-- Liberty policy finisher, Maya long count, or building the Hagia Sophia. If I'm on track to get a free prophet, I'll pop 200 faith on a missionary rather than get the 'natural' great prophet for 300 faith. Reasoning is simple and well covered in this thread-- the religious pressure mechanic is hugely in your favor if you get out early and spread. This is why rushing a free prophet early so you can buy a missionary first is so helpful. And then use your free great prophet to grab either Itinerant Preachers or Religious Texts.
  5. Meanness

    Meanness Chieftain

    Mar 22, 2006
    It has worked out much better for my religion once I started to buy a missionary with my first 200 faith after founding. Two nearby city-states converted early make a huge difference with eventual spread. Prophet (found religion) - missionary (spread) - prophet (enhance) is stronger than other paths.

    I used to enhance early for fear of missing out on the "good" beliefs, but it can be very difficult to recover from an early snowball, even with Itinerant Preachers or Religious Texts. Like most things in this game, small early advantages are usually better than large late advantages, so spread ASAP.
  6. Grubsnik

    Grubsnik Chieftain

    Apr 2, 2009
    Does capturing a holy city confer the founder bonuses to your own civilization?
    I sometimes find myself building a religious building from the first 200 faith following the first prophet, is this a mistake?
  7. Browd

    Browd Dilettante Administrator

    Aug 5, 2012
    Rural Vermont
    No it does not.

    Religious buildings are poor choices, IMO, before enhancing or spreading. However, if you are next to a religious juggernaught that will soon overwhelm your religion (possibly for good), then grabbing the opportunity to build a happiness building that also gives faith and culture can be a smart choice. But absent that extreme case, no.

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