[Vote] (8-33) Polynesia

[hokath]

Choose which components you want to see for Polynesia!

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(8-33) 4UC Polynesia

This is a thread for discussing the addition of 2 more unique components to the Polynesian civilization.

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Proposer: @pineappledan
Sponsor(s): @azum4roll

New Unit - Vaka Nui (replaces trireme):
available at Philosophy
120 Production Cost
19 CS
5 Movement
Reconaissance
City Plunder
Supply

New Building - Marae (replaces Council):
available at Wheel
65 Production cost
+1 Science and +1 Culture
5 Science on Citizen Birth
+3 Culture, Gold, and Food Whenever a Building is Constructed in City, scaling with Era

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(8-33a) 4UC Polynesia Alternative

Current: 1. Wayfinding +2 Sight when Embarked Can always Embark and move over Ocean +2 :c5production: Production from Fishing Boats and Atolls No unhappiness from Isolation Melee and Gunpowder units can construct Fishing Boats 2. Vaka Nui (replaces trireme): available at Philosophy 120...

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Proposer: @DoveCDog
Sponsor(s): @azum4roll

UA Change: Melee and Gunpowder units can construct Fishing Boats

New Unit - Vaka Nui (replaces Work Boat):
available at Fishing
80 Production Cost
Only 2 can be constructed per player
Obsoletes at Dynamite
5 Movement
Can improve water tiles without being expended
Screening
Medic I

New Building - Marae from base proposal

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(8-33b) 4UC Polynesia - Vaka Nui Change/Rename

Vaka Nui rename to Waka Taua everything the same exept unique promotions "Sacrifice to the Sea" - Heal 15 HP on kill and earn 200% of enemy CS as Faith. "Combat bonus when attacking (25)" Current art/model can be used Rationale: Reconnaissance on Philosophy seems to be useless for Polynesia...

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Proposer: @Yngwie
Sponsor(s): @azum4roll

New Unit - Waka Taua (replaces trireme):
available at Philosophy
120 Production Cost
19 CS
5 Movement
Sacrifice to the Sea - Heal 15 HP on kill and earn 200% as Faith
Combat bonus when attacking (25)

New Building - Marae from base proposal

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(8-33c) 4UC Polynesia: Both UU Reworked

Links: https://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/8-33-4uc-polynesia.690046/ https://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/8-33a-polynesia-alternative.690293/ https://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/8-33b-polynesia-vaka-nui-change-rename.690378/ UU1 - Maori Warrior (replaces Pikeman) Unlocked at Steel...

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Proposer: @azum4roll
Sponsor(s): @azum4roll

New Unit - Vaka Nui (replaces Galley)
Unlocked at Fishing
Standard costs
14 (+2)
4 (+1)
Brute Force
Shallow Draft (removed by UA)
Oceanic Perils (removed by UA)
Supply

New Building - Marae from base proposal

Old Unit - Maori Warrior (replaces Pikeman)
Unlocked at Steel
Standard costs
22 (+5)
Formation I
Haka War Dance (-20% Combat Strength for Adjacent Enemy Units. Embarking and Disembarking cost only 1 Movement.)

 

[pineappledan]

Turning the vaka nui into a support flanker unit sounds interesting. I also like taking the fishing boat construction bonus off the UA.

I don’t think having such a low limit is a good idea though. Maybe if it were 5 or something? I don’t think these would be able to keep up with your improving needs adequately on larger maps, even with 5 moves.

I really like the battle scout Māori Warrior. It’s much better where it is; please don’t move it back

 

[msw1]

I agree that 2 seems like a really low limit. Practically what that means since the boats are so cheap is you have to frequently find the old ones, delete them, and buy new ones, which is kind of tedious and pointless.

 

[azum4roll]

I've tested my proposed Maori Warrior (as a Longswordsman replacement). It feels very good to use, both in battle and as a settler escort.

Meanwhile, the AI can't even use the scout version in battles since it only has the explore AI. I'm not sure what effects there will be if we add UNITAI_FAST_ATTACK to it in the Unit_AITypes table. Maybe the AI will allocate some for war when they have enough units for recon? But either way they'll all go back to explore when upgraded.

 

[mjgood]

Turning the vaka nui into a support flanker unit sounds interesting. I also like taking the fishing boat construction bonus off the UA.

I don’t think having such a low limit is a good idea though. Maybe if it were 5 or something? I don’t think these would be able to keep up with your improving needs adequately on larger maps, even with 5 moves.

Should probably make it so you can't have more than one per tile though. Just so you don't have situations where someone would park like all 5 of them on one tile to give a stupid crazy flanking bonus.

At that rate if you couldn't have multiple Vaka Nui's per tile anyway, maybe even remove the limit altogether, but after the second or third one, each additional Vaka Nui takes up 1 army supply. Then you can have a whole fleet of them for war as well as a couple at home if you really wanted to run a build like that.

I really like the battle scout Māori Warrior. It’s much better where it is; please don’t move it back

Me too I think there definitely are options to tweak the AI to use them better after the 3UC 4/ 4UC integration is complete

 

[pineappledan]

Just so you don't have situations where someone would park like all 5 of them on one tile to give a stupid crazy flanking bonus

Okay fair point. If they become support unit superflankers maybe just keep the 2 limit. This seems like something that needs to be tested though, so we can establish how/if this even works.

or maybe the fishing boat building could stay on embarked units and the vaka nui ONLY does the flanking? That way the unit limit isn’t constraining the creation of fishing boats.

Either way I like that this proposal is trying to do something with the work boat slot; with current Polynesia’s design that component is a dead slot for a unit that is entirely eclipsed by the UA, but still buildable for some reason.

 

[azum4roll]

Work boats are needed for offshore platforms.

 

[pineappledan]

It has never made sense to me why fishing boats are on the UA but not oil platforms. You can’t just delete the work boat unit because you might need it… in Modern era.

 

[Rekk]

It has never made sense to me why fishing boats are on the UA but not oil platforms. You can’t just delete the work boat unit because you might need it… in Modern era.

Perhaps a better wording (and therefore ability) would have been "can build Work Boat improvements".

 

[pineappledan]

“Embarked Melee units can improve Sea Resources”

 

[Recursive]

Timestamp post to arrange all the threads in a neat order.