[Vote] (8-12) Denmark

[hokath]

Choose which components you want to see for Denmark!

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(8-12) 4UC Denmark

This is a thread for discussing the addition of 2 more unique components to the Danish civilization.

forums.civfanatics.com

Proposer: @pineappledan
Sponsor(s): @azum4roll

New Unit - Longship (Langskib) (replaces Caravel):
available at Physics
150 Production Cost
22 CS
4 Movement
"Blockade"
"Can move after attacking"

New Building - Andelsbevægelse (replaces Agribusiness):
Unlocked at Fertilizer
1250 Production cost
does not require Horses
+5 Food, +3 Production and 3 Gold
+2 Food +2 Production and +2 Gold to Farms and Pastures
+1 Food to Grassland and Plains tiles
+10% Production when constructing buildings
10% of Food in city is converted to Gold

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(8-12a) 4UC Denmark: Longship Changes

Link: https://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/8-12-4uc-denmark.690025/ UU2 - Longship (replaces Caravel) Unlocked at Compass Standard costs 30 :c5strength: (+5) Can Move After Attacking Blockade Piracy Denmark already has a unit that unlocks early. No need to have two in rapid succession...

forums.civfanatics.com

Proposer: @azum4roll
Sponsor(s): @azum4roll

New Unit - Longship (replaces Caravel)
Unlocked at Compass
Standard costs
30 (+5)
Can Move After Attacking
Blockade
Piracy

New Building - Andelsbevægelse from base proposal

 

[hokath]

Longship as Caravel replacement at Compass feels a bit late historically. Therefore I prefer the base.

 

[azum4roll]

Caravel unlocks very early historically though.

 

[msw1]

Is https://civ-5-cbp.fandom.com/wiki/Caravel wrong? It says the caravel has a combat strength of 20, but proposal (a) says that with +5 the UU would have a combat strength of 30. 30 seems really high.

 

[hokath]

Yeah it's wrong. 20 is the base game, in VP it is 25.

 

[pineappledan]

30 is the same as the Portuguese Nau.

 

[msw1]

OK, seems reasonable then.

 

[pineappledan]

The Later unlock longship would be far more palatable if the model were changed to a late-medieval Danish warship instead of having a 7th century rowboat replacing a caravel.

 

[hokath]

Yes I'm not a fan of the later unlock for the Longship.
There's a complaint that both military components unlock early, but for me that's kinda "their thing".
I also see the argument that there's too much Viking stuff here, and that the Longboat is overkill when you already have the promotion -- then the later ship makes sense. I would even say perhaps a Corvette? Anyway, something for the next congress.

 

[pineappledan]

The longship is also already Denmark’s unique embarkation model, so if you remove it as a UU it is still there, and won’t be missed.

 

[pineappledan]

There's a complaint that both military components unlock early, but for me that's kinda "their thing".

For me, it’s more that I think early unlocking caravel shouldn’t exist. That opens up deep ocean exploration 1 tech earlier and has a lot of variable effects as a result. It creates a Massive difference in the game impact on continents Vs Pangea, for example. Early naval exploration is Polynesia’s thing and I don’t want to step on their toes.

 

[Recursive]

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