A question regarding, "that would go against everything we stand for"

[Immaculate]

I am not sure i understand the 'adopt' menu within the diplomacy options.

1) What factors determine whether a civilization is willing to assume one of your civics?

I am particularily interested in learning how to get a civilization to switch away from 'free religion' to either 'pacifism', 'theology', or 'organized religion', so as to regain diplomatic benefits that were lost with their adoption of free religion.

2) Are potential civic switches all equivalent? If a rival civilization is in 'free religion' and i am in 'pacifism', would i have more success in returning the civilization to its religious roots if i were to first adopt theology or organized religion then have them join me in these civics?


Thanks for any anwers you might be able to provide.

Immac.

 

[Bhruic]

If I remember correctly, you get that message when the leader is running their favoured civic. I don't believe that you can get them to switch out of it by anything short of force or the UN. If the leader's favourite civic is Free Religion, I don't believe you'll be able to get them to become religious again - no matter which civic you are running.

Bh

 

[Immaculate]

If I remember correctly, you get that message when the leader is running their favoured civic. I don't believe that you can get them to switch out of it by anything short of force or the UN. If the leader's favourite civic is Free Religion, I don't believe you'll be able to get them to become religious again - no matter which civic you are running.

Bh

its ragnar and i think his favorite civic is HR.

 

[Ecofarm]

I bet if you gift him Con/Democracy, he goes rep/US. How could a financial civ resist US?

OT: At what point does stacking units for happiness cost too much?

 

[KMadCandy]

i've seen that "everything we stand for" message even when it's not their favorite civic and it drives me up a tree. sometimes i'm not trying to get them to change to earn a diplomatic modifier for myself, i'm trying to get them to change since they're hurting themselves by making a stupid civic choice!! sometimes i am doing it for my own diplomatic benefit tho.

if ragnar changes directly from FR to OR/pacifism and such, he'll default back to the religion he was in before he went FR. sounds like that's what you want in this case, since you want your diplomatic benefits back, i'm just pointing it out since in some cases you might need to try to get them to Convert to XYZ rather than Adopt OR.

i can't think of any reason why it would be easier or better to get him to adopt theocracy or OR instead of pacifism except if those were his favorite civics, which isn't the case. his favorite civic is HR, like you thought. so there'd be no logical reason why OR wouldn't be against all he stands for if pacifism is. but then again what was the logic for pacifism being redlined?

i just checked the xml, there is a line about the attitude for adopting civics. they will refuse to adopt a civic at your request unless their attitude is higher than X. ragnar's X is "cautious". he's also "cautious" for converting religion.

yesterday Freddy was quite a bit behind so i gave him civil service. i waited a bit and he didn't change to bureaucracy. i went to talk to him, and it was redlined. it wasn't that he couldn't change due to having changed within the last 5 turns, if that was the case it wouldn't show up at all. but it was redlined, and the reason was "we just don't like you enough". come on fred, are you just stupid, or are you staying in barbarism out of spite? he did eventually make the change. maybe he was below his xml limit, i hadn't checked that line at the time. but boy was i rolling my eyes at him!