Age and Legacy Path Enhancement/Overhaul - Detailed Brainstorm

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While I agree that there may be value in adding a greater sense of continuity between eras, I think that there is also value in leaning further into the uniqueness of each era to create a sense not just of layering but scaffolding your civilization. The idea here is not to throw out what makes Civ 7 unique but to enhance it, adding fun and depth to the new systems.

There should be both peaceful and violent ways to pursue each of the four gameplay focus areas: science, culture, economy, and military - the goal being that every legacy path in every age feels engaging, immersive, and unique. These should be able to appeal to both hardcore/strategic and casual/thematic players.

In sum, each legacy path in each age should be an enjoyable game in itself, but at the same time, each should also provide clear and branching benefits going into the paths of the ages to come. In this way, players can play a single era and enjoy that, but if they go on, it will feel cohesive and worthwhile - again, think scaffolding, not just layering.

Below you will find my specific ideas (one post for each age).
 
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ANTIQUITY

Overall Focus = A handful of cities and heroes vying for influence, notoriety, and regional control. This has implications both internally and externally for each civ. There should be less empire-management and more city-management, as well as more focus on specific units and commanders. Think of the old Fall From Heaven mod and the Heroes module for CivVI but with a more realistic flavor. Think quests and feats rather than wide-ranging campaigns. This should be history, but history that could easily become legend and myth.


Pt 1 - Foundational Changes

As a general rule, I believe that techs should represent tangible/practical advancements in tools and methods, while civics should represent intangible behaviors and organizational systems. Pursuing the Science Legacy Path should require almost exclusive focus on the tech tree, while pursuing the Culture Legacy Path should require almost exclusive focus on the civics tree. Pursuing the Military and Economy Legacy Paths should require a mix, with Military slanted more toward techs and Economy slanted more toward civics. Most (but not all) units should be in the tech tree; most (but not all) policies should be in the civics tree; buildings and wonders should be spread across both, but as in the current game, buildings can be slanted more toward techs while wonders are slanted more toward civics.

In order to bring about more consistency and cohesion to the Antiquity era, I suggest the following changes to the tech and civics trees.

Techs (16 techs total, same as current game)
Antiquity - Tech Tree (15).jpg

- Masonry requires both Pottery and Animal Husbandry
- Mathematics requires Currency and Bronze Working
- Military Training is renamed Siegecraft
- Siegecraft requires Mathematics and the Wheel
- Iron Working requires Mathematics
- Engineering requires Iron Working and Siegecraft
- Future Tech requires Engineering and Navigation (no other dead ends)
- Archer moves to Mathematics to further distance from Slinger use
- Ballista moves to Siegecraft
- Bath moves out of the tech tree to a civic
- Monument moves out of the tech tree to a civic
- Villa moves out of the tech tree to a civic
- Amphitheater moves to Masonry to facilitate the Science Legacy Path
- Arena moves to Engineering
- Colossus moves to Bronze Working
- Coinage moves to Currency

The end result will be that the final high-value techs for Antiquity are Iron Working, Siegecraft, Engineering, and Navigation - all of which are capable of significantly upgrading the power of the military and production overall. Think Iron-age vs Bronze-age. The tech costs for these final techs may also need an increase to ensure that there is enough Bronze-age gameplay before they displace it.


Civics (14 civics total, same as current game)
Antiquity - Civics Tree (13).jpg

- New civic Logic in slot occupied by Discipline
- Discipline requires Logic
- Survey moves to Logic, but Logic needs additional benefits to be worthwhile, especially as a Mastery
- Tactics requires Discipline
- Public Life requires Citizenship and Tactics, not Mysticism
- New civic Drama requires Mysticism
- New civic Tradition requires Drama
- Philosophy requires Citizenship and Tradition, not Literacy
- Literacy requires Philosophy
- Commerce requires Public Life
- Future Civic requires Literacy and Commerce (no other dead ends)
- Organized Military and Skilled Trades are deleted, their contents moved
- Bath moves to Public Life
- Monument moves to Tradition
- Villa moves to Citizenship
- Drama and Poetry moves to Drama
- Cultural Festival moves to Tradition
- Improve Trade Relations moves to Commerce
- Rites and Rituals moves to Tradition
- Conscription moves to Public Life
- +1 Settlement Limit moves to Citizenship
- Mausoleum of Theodoric moves to Tactics
- Oracle moves to Drama
- Colossus moves out of civics to a tech
- Coinage moves out of civics to a tech

The end results will be that the final high-value civics for Antiquity are Philosophy, Literacy, Public Life, Commerce, and Future Civic. Like the late-Antiquity techs, these are all designed to overpower existing mechanisms/strategies.


Pt 2 - Growth and Organization

Perhaps the most dramatic single change, I propose that players cannot build Settlers in Antiquity (unless like Carthage, they have a unique playstyle and a unique unit that enables it). As a result, players cannot found Settlements or specialize them. Instead, additional Founder units are generated by accomplishments (maybe certain legacy-path milestones), enabling Cities to spawn other Cities every so often, but at a slower rate and in a less directed way.

Perhaps there would also a requirement that keeps new Cities not only a certain number of tiles apart but also within a certain number of tiles from another City that the player owns.

The result would be that each civ in Antiquity will end up as a cluster of cities in a localized region of the map. Expanding far will require special rules (a greater maximum distance or the ability to build Settlements), the conquest of neighbors, or a lot of work to deliberately generate the maximum number of Founders. It could also be viable to have a civ that focuses on a single massive powerful City and doesn’t expand at all.

As in the current game, mountains and deep oceans should be impassible, creating limitations on map exploration. Alternatively (or in addition), there could be some type of degradation for units that remain too far outside their home territory. This would again result in limited exploration/expansion, but with a variety of limitations that could each be altered by unique traits or units, as well as by techs/civics.


Pt 3 - Science Legacy Path

Title = The Great Library
Goal = Collect and house 10 codices

Milestone 1 = Build an Amphitheater - Masonry tech
+ 1 Scientific Legacy Point
+ 1 Founder unit
Milestone 2 = Build a Library - Writing tech
+ 1 Scientific Legacy Point
+ 1 Scientific Attribute
+ 1 Founder unit
Milestone 3 = Collect 10 codices
+ 1 Scientific Legacy Point
+ 1 Founder unit
+ Golden Age Academies
Victory (if turned on for game-end in Antiquity) = Build, fill Great Library wonder - Engineering tech

Codices can be displayed as follows:
x1 in Palace
x2 per Library - Writing tech
x3 per Academy - Mathematics tech
x2 in Nalanda wonder - Literacy civic
x4 in Great Library wonder - Engineering tech

NOTE: To make this work, the Amphitheater building needs to move to Masonry, replacing the Monument (which can in turn move to the Tradition civic and play a significant role in the Military Legacy Path for Antiquity). The idea here is that we need a place to give speeches, and the Amphitheater seems the most ideal building choice.


Like the current game, science play in Antiquity would center on the collection of codices, but I suggest making the collection much more interactive and thematic.

To start, codices should not be gained by unlocking techs. They could still be gained on occasion through a narrative event here or there, but the primary way they are gained should be through Philosophers or through pillaging/conquest. Philosophers should generate as a unit at random on owned tiles, and their chance of generating should increase based on certain conditions that could inspire philosophical thinking: attractiveness of the tile and proximity to a natural wonder, proximity to a natural disaster, proximity to a library or trade building, proximity to a world wonder, etc. Perhaps to keep a connection to the tech tree, Philosophers can only generate on a turn when a tech is unlocked.

When a Philosopher does generate, it would need to be taken to a certain building to activate - an Amphitheater. When activated, the Philosopher will disappear and generate a codex. The codex will then need to be stored in an appropriate building - a Palace, Library, Academy, or specific wonder, just as in the current game.

But why would anyone want to collect codices if they weren’t pursuing the Science Legacy Path? In order to incentivize this and make the science gameplay more interesting, what if each codex provided some type of special bonus, along the lines of a wonder effect that specifically affects the city where the codex is housed. There could be a dozen effects or so, and if you ended up with duplicates, they could be designed to stack. Because of this, even if you weren’t pursuing a full collection, grabbing a few would always be worthwhile.

In addition, codices could be traded via diplomacy. This would be only available with certain tech unlocks and a close relationship between the civs. The benefit is that players wouldn’t lose codices by trading them; the idea is that the knowledge is shared/copied, not lost in the transfer. To gain access to a codex would either require trading access to your own codex or paying a very significant fee in money or resources.

Finally, codices could be captured via pillaging or conquering a tile where one is housed. In this situation, the original owner would lose their copy of the codex. To keep pillaging from being too easy a way to gain codices, it might be necessary to convert the codex into a treasure unit that needs to be taken to a home City before it becomes available to the pillaging civ.

The result of all this should be a gameplay focus where the scientific player is intentionally racing through the tech tree, while exploring/expanding to claim tiles near attractive or interesting geographic features (maybe taking on some risk in the process), and choosing buildings and wonders that will inspire/house the codices they need. Maybe they’ll seek out friends that also value science so that they can boost their collection through trade; maybe they’ll get aggressive and try to steal codices from their neighbors. The “eureka” type spontaneity of discovery would exist through the random generation of Philosophers, but the probability could be manipulated enough to satisfy the strategic player. There would also be the random element of codex effects, which a player couldn’t predict but which could pivot their strategy multiple times per game.

What would happen to all the codices after Antiquity? The general idea should be that they become rare semi-powerful tokens from a lost age, the sort of thing that would get secreted away and become the stuff of legend. To this end, no more Philosophers would generate after Antiquity ends, and any Philosophers or unhoused codices at the age transition would be deleted. In order to further phase them out, I would suggest that pillaging or conquering no longer automatically results in stealing a codex; instead, pillaging or conquering would have a 50% change to destroy the codex. Codices could also be destroyed by natural disasters. By the Modern era, any surviving codices would count as artifacts for use in museums for the Culture Legacy Path. As a result, a player aiming for the Culture Legacy Path in the Modern era would want to focus on science in Antiquity to ensure that they can preserve a large supply of codices for their museums.


Pt 4 - Culture Legacy Path

Title = Wonders of the Ancient World
Goal = Build 7 Wonders for the Glory of the Gods

Milestone 1 = Build an Altar - Mysticism
+ 1 Cultural Legacy Point
+ 1 Founder unit
Milestone 2 = Complete 3 Cultural Festivals - Tradition
+ 1 Cultural Legacy Point
+ 1 Founder unit
+ 1 Cultural Attribute
Milestone 3 = Build 7 wonders - various techs and civics
+ 1 Cultural Legacy Point
+ 1 Founder unit
+ Golden Age Altars
Victory (if turned on for game-end in Antiquity) = Complete the (new) Epic Tradition project - Literacy civic


While largely similar to the current-game goal of building 7 world wonders, I suggest integrating the creation and organization of pantheons into this legacy path, as well as the repeated hosting of Cultural Festivals. The idea is that these wonders, dedicated to your civ’s pantheon, are focal points for celebrating your unique culture and enshrining your heritage. You then cap it all off by producing a literary epic, an origin story that passes along your society’s beliefs, values, and traditions to future generations.

As a foundation for all this, the Altar should be changed to include a significant boost to wonder production. To offset this bonus, and to make altars almost essential for wonder production, the cost of all wonders could be proportionately increased. Wonders can certainly be built without a sense of civic religion, but as we see in much of the ancient world, piety can serve as a powerful mobilizer for big expensive art projects.

The second milestone is to complete 3 Cultural Festivals (the number changing maybe according to game speed). In the current game, the Cultural Festival project is ongoing until cancelled, but for this to work, it would need to have a specific span of turns to complete each time it is activated. This also makes sense, as a festival usually has a start and end and doesn’t just go on forever. My suggestion would be that every Cultural Festival automatically run for at least 5 turns and be based on a progressive production cost, much like the Theater Square Festival project in Civ VI.

The third milestone is, of course, the wonders themselves. These can be built at any time in any of the civ’s Cities. They should also be able to be captured by aggressive players as part of conquering a neighboring City.

The utility of the wonders and altars in future ages is already inherent. Their abilities have value to both players pursuing the Culture Legacy Path and to players just dabbling in this area. Wonders also continue to have their effects as the eras transition, ensuring their long-term value. Moreover, the Epic that you produce as a final project could transfer into the next two eras as an automatic Great Work of Writing in your collection.

An additional intriguing idea is to replace Golden Amphitheaters with Golden Altars. A civ that creates such a grand identity in Antiquity could retain a stronger tie to their traditional pantheon in the next era, even alongside the growth of a world religion when other pantheons are rendered obsolete.

In the end, culture gameplay ends up balanced with similar elements to science gameplay - the cultural player will race through the civics tree to get access first to pantheon options, then to preferred wonders ahead of their opponents. If they can't win that race, the player may choose to attack neighbors in order to gain control of what they need. While they won’t be trying to influence or react to any random generation (probably a plus for some players), they will be trying to compete for wonder construction and puzzle them into place around their Cities, while also balancing the need to host those Cultural Festivals.


Pt 5 - Economy Legacy Path

(in progress)


Pt 6 - Military Legacy Path

(in progress)
 
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