AI cheating (again...!?)

[Tweedledum]

Can anyone see anything wrong with the following screen-shot!?

 

[Tweedledum]

And here's the answer:

Writing is (AFAIK) a precursor Tech for MapMaking, and Cleo doesn't have it - Writing is in in my "Sell to" list

So, if she doesn't have Writing, and thus doesn't have MapMaking, how the hell did she make those maps that I can buy from her !?

 

[Snaproll]

As long as you have mapmaking, you can buy maps.

 

[Jimcat]

Maps can be traded as long as one of the two trading civilizations has Map Making. Usually I'm the one who ends up trading maps before I get Map Making, because I go for Literature while the AI is pursuing Map Making.

 

[Catt]

Nice choice of thread title.

Perhaps you might consider changing it to "Player Misunderstands Game Rules (again...!?)."

 

[SirJethro]

Originally posted by Catt
Nice choice of thread title.

Perhaps you might consider changing it to "Player Misunderstands Game Rules (again...!?)."

 

[Tassadar]

When several rule are non-writen and are not the same for human and a.i., it is normal to have misunserstanding.

IMO both civ should have map making before trading, as said in the thread; how can you sell map if you dont know how to make it.

Are you sure human can exchange map without map making ? or it is a special a.i. ability ? ( again)

 

[Tweedledum]

Originally posted by charliehoke
As long as you have mapmaking, you can buy maps.

Yeah, but can you make them so that they are available for sale?
And if you haven't got the ability to make maps, why would you buy one? You wouldn't know what it was.
And if you can't even write (as Cleo couldn't), you almost certainly can't read anything...

If it is a "misunderstanding", it is on the same level as not understanding that the AI's galleys never sink at sea or that the AI knows all the territory anyway (so why does it NEED the f***king map!?)

 

[Tassadar]

Cleo is egyptian right, so she is not using an alphabet but hieroglyph, once you know hieroglyph you know how to make map ( its about same thing).

Seriously, IMO, this situation is a flaw in the game. Bith civ should get map making before trading map, it is common sens.

 

[LittleDragon]

It is a flaw, but a flaw that is clearly stated in the manual. Only one civ needs map making for both to be able to trade maps to each other. Obviously Cleo couldn't trade maps with another civ that didn't have Map Making.

It is the same as with communications trading with writing.

 

[Lt. 'Killer' M.]

Why is this a flaw???? Imagine you have learned how to assemble information about terrain on a piece of papyrus or so in a way that is easily understandable even for the village idiot. Now you meet someone from a different culture. He may not ´know how to draw a map, but sure as hell he can tell you about his country! So you sit him down with a beer/wine/incense smoke whatever and chat with him. Whatever he says you note down - presto! foreign map, though he doesn't know **** about what you are doing there!

 

[Tassadar]

Good point killer, but this idiot is now able to know your world map, without knowing map making, it is just a little bit weird.

 

[Chinese American]

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[LittleDragon]

Originally posted by Tassadar
Good point killer, but this idiot is now able to know your world map, without knowing map making, it is just a little bit weird.

Thats the key.

Anyway, any flaw can be explained away if you try hard enough, that is not the point. Explanations like that shouldn't be needed, it isn't our place to think of explanations to cover poor programming.

 

[DrJambo]

:laugh: blame it on the programming...

 

[Lt. 'Killer' M.]

Tassadar: yes that is a weak point here....

I'd liek a system where you get 'blurred' maps until you see the regions yourself or until maps get better around industrial times....