[BTS] AI World Cup

[Fippy]

Wow i got lucky lol

Will keep voting for Boudi, and hmm..
Qin. Justi is impressive and maybe favorite, but i like Qin's traits & chances.
War would not be easy for Justi this time, and if Qin gets enuf wonders he can win
Good semifinals ~~
Much depends on rex speed for Joao & Justi.

 

[Major Tom]

Justinian vs Qin 1AD update for game 1&2

Game 1: Both looks in good shape. No wars. Qin with strong GNP (due to wonders I suppose) but Justinian with more cities and almost all religions.

Game 2: Again it seems to be even so far. No wars. Justi more land, but Qin with the wonders.

 

[elmurcis]

..side note - why there are 2 times each city in top5 cities screen?

 

[Major Tom]

..side note - why there are 2 times each city in top5 cities screen?

Probably something to do with that the screen is from one of the AIs perspective.
Edit: In other words a bug in the cheatmode presentation.

 

[Major Tom]

Joao vs Boudica 1AD update for game 1&2:

Game1: Joao seems to be slightly better in most terms. He also has declared on Boudica 300 BC and they are at war 1AD but no captures. Boudica, why are you building Moais at the frontline?

Game 2: Here Boudica has the edge in several ways. And all religions. She DoW around 800 BC and captures 1 iron city. Peacy treaty atm.

 

[Major Tom]

Justinian vs Qin Semifinal Game 1 - The End

Relations are +5 by 500 AD. Qin techs well while Justinian tech Divine rights and focus on all his religions.

Qin with lib. Seems he libbed rifles.

Justinian in religious mode. The powergraph suddenly looks gloomy for him 1450 AD.

Qin of course declares right after 1450 screen.
1575 AD: Qins artillery approaching a city where Justy builds a maceman for his defence.

Soon after it is over.

Qin 1, Justinian 0.

A rather pathetic performance by Justinian. Culture victory was not even close for him.

 

[Major Tom]

Justinian vs Qin Semifinal Game 2 - The End

A game with no wars. Pleased relations and not too much shared border. Tech rate about even for both. Justinian spreads all his religions to Qin. Qin goes in culture mode. So do Justy.

But Justinian is undecided. Build units. And..apollo.

Justinian finally decide for culture and the race is on for real

But too late for Justinian.

Congratulations to Qin for reaching the Final. Qin 2, Justy 0.

 

[Fippy]

I know my deity AIs..

 

[Major Tom]

Boudica vs Joao - Game 1&2 - The End

We left 1AD with Joao in good shape and attacking in Game 1 and Boudica in good shape and attackingmode in Game 2. Those trends continued. The attacker captured cities steadily until domination win.

1-1 after 2 games.

 

[Major Tom]

Semifinal Game 3: Joao vs Boudica

Starting positions: A jungle area in the middle. More green tiles to Joao. Boudica need to develop that jungle area.

Boudica struggles with that 1 size junglecity in the middle and Joao develops land easier. Religions even divided with Joao oracling theocracy. They even share same religion so pleased relations and not enough bordertiles to start plotting. I think 8 bordertiles gives better chance for plotting. Power even.

1AD:

Lovefiest continues:

1450 AD. Still no wars. Joao gets the upper hand on powergraph.

A peaceful world and superior GNP to Joao results in this 1575 F8-screen:

And the culture win to was uncontested.

Joao 2, Boudica 1.

Congratulations to Joao for reaching the final.

 

[Major Tom]

The Final: Qin vs Joao
Best of 5 games.

Starting positions for game 1 and 2. (Same map but switched starting tile):

 

[Major Tom]

I know my deity AIs..

Did you knock on wood for Boudis last game?
Anyway, your predictions have been outstanding.

 

[Major Tom]

Prediction for game 1&2 The Final:

Joao will outrex Qin at least in 1 game. The second game I will have a little wager on Qin. Shared borders should trigger an early DoW at least in one game in this tournament. After all, he got a low peaceweight.

 

[Fippy]

Did you knock on wood for Boudis last game?

Yup
Same Reli and no wars are ofc bad for her.

I think Joao has a slight advantage for finals.

 

[Major Tom]

The Final. Joao vs Qin.
Best of 5 games on the same map with alternating starting positions. Both start on the upper half of the continent and both have to expand south. Western starting position has a little risk for being boxed in with clever and rapid city placement of eastplayer.

Game 1&2:

Spoiler :

Game1: Joao in the west. He cleverly place his 3rd city by the river far south among the elephants. Qin focus on central and wonders. The players have different religions. Joao quickly beeline to elepults. 400BC he declares and captures Qins Buddhist shrine. 1AD: 8 cities to Joao vs Qins 5. 1 ADscreens:

Spoiler :

Joao continued to push on and in 1450AD Qin throws in the towel.

Game 2: Even expansion and by 1AD city count was 7-7. Different religions. Wonders also even divided. The game saw not less than 5 DoWs. All by Joao! He got the upper hand after hard fights and by 1860 Qin was thrown out of the mainland.

Joao 2, Qin 0.

The remainder:

Spoiler :

Game 3: Joao to the west, Qin east. Qin was the first to DoW 900 BC but no captures was made and the made peace soon. By 1AD Joao had 5 cities vs Qins 4. Qin with the wonders and strong GNP. Joao best in food and hammers.

600AD it was Joas turn to DoW and he captured 1 city. Joao pushed on and also got an ally by making the west islands a colony. It was an one way affair until Joao won domination 1836.

The 3rd and decisive victory.

And is :

Spoiler :

Joao II for an impressive 3-0 victory!

And also congratulations to:

Spoiler :

Fippy for outstanding predictions

 

[Fippy]

Ty for this tourney, Tom
Was much fun to follow.

 

[elmurcis]

Thanks for this World Cup Most interesting was to see what and how AI "do" 1 vs 1 without human in middle
And congrats to Fippy too

 

[Major Tom]

Most interesting was to see what and how AI "do" 1 vs 1

It was a lot of domination victories, with a couple of culture victories. Space was not even near at any point for anybody. Seems that if a war starts rolling it is no way to stop them pursuing that victory condition. The game is probably better balanced towards different victories, with the default size, 6. The different flavours for more/all AIs have a better chance to shine.

 

[fjordan]

Yeah thanks Tom, fun to read during break at work. In Duel, where you start wit 50% of the land domination is not very far away after one successfull war. It is the 1:1 concept that does that, with more AI's you should see more victory types. I also believe that the underperformers lik Shaka stand a much better chance when you start with knock-out right away. Maybe a nice idea for a series: start with X players, where X ranges from 2 to 8 (next round when half the field has won or something like that). Ofcourse this requires quite some effort to do. Oh, and if more people post (unlike lurkers like me), Fippy should post last. Even her prediction about stupid Maoi building was spot on .

 

[Major Tom]

Thank you fjordan, elmurcis, Fippy and the rest of lurkers for the interest