All new cities are the same name

[kirkham7]

I've found something quite interesting. Once you get to a certain number of cities built worldwide, all of your cities from that point on are the same name. I've also noticed that the city names are also linked as well. If you build a new city, or even rename one, all of the new cities are changed to that name. Is this normal for civ or is it a glitch?

 

[Tristan_C]

Ah well. At least it's Yolo.

Spoiler :

(in the absence of any constructive guess to offer you)

 

[Dack]

I for one would like to see the MAP & SVE file and a little history of how these cities came into being. Where did all the gold come from?

 

[Valen]

Years ago I ran the test to see what city names come up when you just keep building them. What I did was give every settler the "B" command to found a city then 'esc' out so the settler didn't go away. Keep repeating this turn after turn (I probably had 20-30 settlers at the time) and the city names eventually run out.
After running through the Mecca-Sydney list, you start building Roman cities then Babylonian and so on until you've finished the Mongolian city list.
After that, every city is named "ROME" (all caps). Since I didn't have any real cities built that late, I couldn't try the rename test to see if all the post-Kerman cities got renamed at once.
This would be an interesting test to run, though.

 

[kirkham7]

Here are the map and sve files. I've had some fun as you can see, I gave all civilizations 30k gold (the maximum) at the beginning of the game. I thought it would make for an interesting game.

 

[Renergy]

Yolo = "You're low" (on city names)

Just experimenting with "learning" the AI to expand as much as possible by lowering the cost of settler to just one row of shields, on Earth map and what I see is a lot of "Romes" (Australia, South America), not "Yolo-es" after certain time

Edit: oops, I'll read the topmost post thoroughly next time yo renamed them

 

[Dack]

Here are the map and sve files. .

Do you have a MAP & SVE file from before the yolo event? I noticed that replay area of the SVE file is full, I don’t know if that has any thing to do with the error? The corruption of the sve file blows out TerraForm maybe that will be a lead to the cause.

 

[Dack]

It appears like you just used up all the city names and after that CIV just uses the first name for each additional city. Can you explain all the activity in the replay data? (256 city names) How much of this was done outside of the game? It also looks like the replay data is full.

Spoiler :

  0  4000 Russians    found the city of Moscow
  1  4000 Zulus       found the city of Zimbabwe
  2  4000 French      found the city of Paris
  3  4000 Egyptians   found the city of Thebes
  4  4000 Americans   found the city of Washington
  5  4000 Greeks      found the city of Athens
  6  4000 Indians     found the city of Delhi
  7  3960 Greeks      produce first Militia
  8  3960 Indians     produce first Phalanx
  9  3940 French      produce first Settlers
 10  3940 Egyptians   found the city of Memphis
 11  3940 Greeks      found the city of Sparta
 12  3920 French      found the city of Orleans
 13  3900 Russians    found the city of Leningrad
 14  3900 Zulus       found the city of Ulundi
 15  3900 French      found the city of Lyons
 16  3900 Thebes      destroyed
 17  3900 Egyptians   found the city of Oryx
 18  3900 Americans   found the city of New York 
 19  3900 Athens      destroyed
 20  3900 Greeks      found the city of Corinth
 21  3880 Zulus       found the city of Bapedi
 22  3880 Orleans     destroyed
 23  3880 French      found the city of Tours
 24  3880 Greeks      discover Writing
 25  3880 French      discover The Wheel
 26  3880 Greeks      make peace with French
 27  3880 Indians     found the city of Bombay
 28  3860 Moscow      destroyed
 29  3860 Russians    found the city of Kiev
 30  3860 Ulundi      destroyed
 31  3860 Zulus       found the city of Hlobane
 32  3860 Paris       destroyed
 33  3860 French      declare war on Greeks
 34  3860 French      found the city of Chartres
 35  3860 Memphis     destroyed
 36  3860 Egyptians   found the city of Heliopolis
 37  3860 Americans   found the city of Boston
 38  3860 Americans   found the city of Philadelphia
 39  3860 Sparta      destroyed



 40  3860 Greeks      found the city of Delphi
 41  3860 Indians     found the city of Madras
 42  3840 Zimbabwe    destroyed
 43  3840 Zulus       found the city of Isandhlwana
 44  3840 Americans   discover Pottery
 45  3840 Delhi       destroyed
 46  3840 Indians     found the city of Bangalore 
 47  3820 Kiev        destroyed
 48  3820 Russians    found the city of Minsk  
 49  3820 Hlobane     destroyed
 50  3820 Zulus       found the city of Intombe   
 51  3820 Egyptians   discover Alphabet     
 52  3820 Corinth     destroyed
 53  3820 Greeks      found the city of Eretria
 54  3820 Bombay      destroyed
 55  3820 Indians     found the city of Calcutta  
 56  3800 Bapedi      destroyed
 57  3800 Zulus       found the city of Mpondo 
 58  3800 Chartres    destroyed
 59  3800 Tours       destroyed
 60  3800 French      found the city of Bordeaux  
 61  3800 French      found the city of Rouen  
 62  3800 Oryx        destroyed
 63  3800 Egyptians   found the city of Gaza
 64  3800 Indians     discover MapMaking 
 65  3800 Madras      destroyed
 66  3800 Indians     found the city of Lahore 
 67  3780 Leningrad   destroyed
 68  3780 Russians    found the city of Smolensk  
 69  3780 Isandhlwana destroyed
 70  3780 Zulus       found the city of Ngome  
 71  3780 Americans   discover Masonry
 72  3780 Greeks      produce first Chariot 
 73  3780 Bangalore   destroyed
 74  3780 Indians     found the city of Karachi
 75  3760 Intombe     destroyed
 76  3760 Zulus       found the city of Swazi  
 77  3760 Lyons       destroyed
 78  3760 French      found the city of Avignon
 79  3760 Gaza        destroyed


 
 80  3760 Egyptians   found the city of Alexandria
 81  3760 Eretria     destroyed
 82  3760 Greeks      found the city of Pharsalos 
 83  3760 Bordeaux    destroyed
 84  3760 Calcutta    destroyed
 85  3760 Indians     found the city of Kolhapur  
 86  3740 Minsk       destroyed
 87  3740 Russians    found the city of Odessa 
 88  3740 Mpondo      destroyed
 89  3740 Zulus       found the city of Tugela 
 90  3740 French      discover Bronze Working     
 91  3740 French      found the city of Marseilles
 92  3740 Lahore      destroyed
 93  3740 Indians     found the city of Jaipur 
 94  3720 Russians    found the city of Sevastopol
 95  3720 Ngome       destroyed
 96  3720 Zulus       found the city of Umtata 
 97  3720 Rouen       destroyed
 98  3720 French      found the city of Grenoble  
 99  3720 Alexandria  destroyed
100  3720 Egyptians   found the city of Byblos 
101  3720 Delphi      destroyed
102  3720 Greeks      found the city of Argos  
103  3720 Karachi     destroyed
104  3720 Indians     found the city of Hyderabad 
105  3700 Russians    discover Iron Working 
106  3700 Smolensk    destroyed
107  3700 Russians    found the city of Tblisi 
108  3700 Swazi       destroyed
109  3700 Zulus       found the city of Umfolozi  
110  3700 Avignon     destroyed
111  3700 French      found the city of Dijon  
112  3700 Kolhapur    destroyed
113  3700 Indians     found the city of Bengal 
114  3680 Odessa      destroyed
115  3680 Russians    found the city of Sverdlovsk
116  3680 Tugela      destroyed
117  3680 Zulus       found the city of Ibabanago 
118  3680 Marseilles  destroyed
119  3680 French      found the city of Amiens 

 
120  3680 Byblos      destroyed
121  3680 Egyptians   found the city of Cairo  
122  3680 Pharsalos   destroyed
123  3680 Greeks      found the city of Mycenae
124  3680 Jaipur      destroyed
125  3680 Indians     found the city of Chittagong
126  3660 Sevastopol  destroyed
127  3660 Russians    found the city of Yakutsk
128  3660 Umtata      destroyed
129  3660 Zulus       found the city of Isipezi
130  3660 Hyderabad   destroyed
131  3660 Indians     found the city of Punjab 
132  3640 Tblisi      destroyed
133  3640 Russians    found the city of Vladivostok
134  3640 Umfolozi    destroyed
135  3640 Zulus       found the city of Amatikulu 
136  3640 Grenoble    destroyed
137  3640 French      found the city of Cherbourg 
138  3640 Cairo       destroyed
139  3640 Egyptians   found the city of Coptos 
140  3640 Argos       destroyed
141  3640 Greeks      found the city of Herakleia 
142  3640 Bengal      destroyed
143  3640 Indians     found the city of Dacca  
144  3620 Ibabanago   destroyed
145  3620 Zulus       found the city of Zunguin
146  3620 Dijon       destroyed
147  3620 French      found the city of Poitiers  
148  3620 Americans   found the city of Atlanta
149  3620 Chittagong  destroyed
150  3620 Indians     found the city of Indus     
151  3600 Sverdlovsk  destroyed
152  3600 Vladivostok destroyed
153  3600 Isipezi     destroyed
154  3600 Zulus       found the city of Mecca  
155  3600 Amiens      destroyed
156  3600 French      found the city of Toulouse  
157  3600 Coptos      destroyed
158  3600 Egyptians   found the city of Edfu
159  3600 Mycenae     destroyed


  
160  3600 Greeks      found the city of Antioch
161  3600 Punjab      destroyed
162  3600 Indians     found the city of Ganges 
163  3580 Amatikulu   destroyed
164  3580 Zulus       found the city of Naples 
165  3580 Americans   discover Code of Laws
166  3580 Americans   discover Horseback Riding
167  3580 Dacca       destroyed
168  3580 Indians     found the city of Sidon  
169  3560 Zunguin     destroyed
170  3560 Zulus       found the city of Tyre   
171  3560 Toulouse    destroyed
172  3560 French      found the city of Bayonne
173  3560 Edfu        destroyed
174  3560 Egyptians   found the city of Pithom 
175  3560 Americans   found the city of Chicago
176  3560 Americans   found the city of Buffalo
177  3560 Americans   found the city of St.Louis
178  3560 Antioch     destroyed
179  3560 Indus       destroyed
180  3560 Indians     found the city of Tarsus
181  3540 Mecca       destroyed
182  3540 Zulus       found the city of Issus
183  3540 Cherbourg   destroyed
184  3540 French      found the city of Cunaxa
185  3540 Greeks      found the city of Ephesos
186  3540 Ganges      destroyed
187  3540 Indians     found the city of Cremona
188  3520 Naples      destroyed
189  3520 Zulus       found the city of Cannae
190  3520 Poitiers    destroyed
191  3520 French      found the city of Capua
192  3520 Pithom      destroyed
193  3520 Egyptians   found the city of Busiris
194  3520 Americans   found the city of Detroit
195  3520 Sidon       destroyed
196  3520 Indians     found the city of Turin
197  3500 Tyre        destroyed
198  3500 Zulus       found the city of Genoa
199  3500 Americans   found the city of New Orleans


      
200  3500 Herakleia   destroyed
201  3500 Greeks      found the city of Rhodes
202  3500 Tarsus      destroyed
203  3500 Indians     found the city of Utica
204  3480 Issus       destroyed
205  3480 Zulus       found the city of Crete
206  3480 Capua       destroyed
207  3480 French      found the city of Damascus
208  3480 Heliopolis  destroyed
209  3480 Egyptians   found the city of Athribis
210  3480 Americans   found the city of Baltimore
211  3480 Cremona     destroyed
212  3480 Indians     found the city of Verona
213  3460 Cannae      destroyed
214  3460 Zulus       found the city of Salamis
215  3460 Bayonne     destroyed
216  3460 French      found the city of Lisbon
217  3460 Americans   found the city of Denver
218  3460 Rhodes      destroyed
219  3460 Turin       destroyed
220  3460 Indians     found the city of Hamburg
221  3440 Genoa       destroyed
222  3440 Zulus       found the city of Prague
223  3440 Cunaxa      destroyed
224  3440 French      discover Currency
225  3440 French      found the city of Salzburg
226  3440 Busiris     destroyed
227  3440 Egyptians   found the city of Mendes
228  3440 Americans   found the city of Cincinnati
229  3440 Americans   found the city of Dallas
230  3440 Greeks      found the city of Knossos
231  3440 Utica       destroyed
232  3440 Indians     found the city of Bergen
233  3420 Crete       destroyed
234  3420 Zulus       found the city of Venice
235  3420 Egyptians   found the city of Tanis
236  3420 Americans   found the city of Los Angeles   
237  3420 Verona      destroyed
238  3420 Indians     found the city of Milan
239  3400 Russians    found the city of Novograd


     
240  3400 Salamis     destroyed
241  3400 Zulus       found the city of Ghent
242  3400 Salzburg    destroyed
243  3400 Damascus    destroyed
244  3400 French      found the city of Pisa
245  3400 French      make peace with Greeks      
246  3400 French      found the city of Cordoba   
247  3400 Athribis    destroyed
248  3400 Egyptians   found the city of Abydos    
249  3400 Americans   found the city of Las Vegas 
250  3400 Knossos     destroyed
251  3400 Greeks      found the city of Troy      
252  3400 Hamburg     destroyed
253  3400 Indians     found the city of Seville   
254  3380 Prague      destroyed
255  3380 Zulus       found the city of Dublin    
256  3380 Mendes      destroyed
257  3380 Egyptians   found the city of Toronto   
258  3380 Bergen      destroyed
259  3380 Indians     found the city of Melbourne 
260  3360 Yakutsk     destroyed
261  3360 Russians    found the city of Krasnoyarsk   
262  3360 Venice      destroyed
263  3360 Zulus       found the city of Sydney    
264  3360 Lisbon      destroyed
265  3360 Pisa        destroyed
266  3360 French      found the city of Yolo
267  3360 French      found the city of Caesarea  
268  3360 Americans   found the city of Carthage  
269  3360 Ephesos     destroyed
270  3360 Greeks      found the city of Pergamon  
271  3360 Milan       destroyed
272  3360 Indians     found the city of Nicopolis 
273  3340 Ghent       destroyed
274  3340 Zulus       found the city of Byzantium 
275  3340 Toronto     destroyed
276  3340 Seville     destroyed
277  3340 Indians     found the city of Brundisium
278  3320 Krasnoyarsk destroyed
279  3320 Russians    found the city of Riga      


    
280  3320 Dublin      destroyed
281  3320 Zulus       found the city of Syracuse  
282  3320 Caesarea    destroyed
283  3320 French      found the city of Antioch   
284  3320 Abydos      destroyed
285  3320 Pergamon    destroyed
286  3320 Greeks      found the city of Miletos   
287  3320 Melbourne   destroyed
288  3320 Indians     found the city of Palmyra   
289  3300 Sydney      destroyed
290  3300 Zulus       found the city of Cyrene    
291  3300 Yolo  destroyed
292  3300 French      found the city of Gordion   
293  3300 Americans   found the city of Tyrus     
294  3300 Nicopolis   destroyed
295  3300 Indians     found the city of Jerusalem 
296  3280 Novograd    destroyed
297  3280 Russians    found the city of Rostov    
298  3280 Byzantium   destroyed
299  3280 Zulus       found the city of Seleucia  
300  3280 French      found the city of Ravenna   
301  3280 Egyptians   found the city of Artaxata  
302  3280 Americans   found the city of Babylon   
303  3280 Americans   discover Ceremonial Burial  
304  3280 Americans   found the city of Sumer     
305  3280 Troy        destroyed
306  3280 Greeks      found the city of Uruk      
307  3280 Brundisium  destroyed
308  3280 Indians     found the city of Nineveh   
309  3260 Syracuse    destroyed
310  3260 Zulus       found the city of Ashur     
311  3260 Gordion     destroyed
312  3260 Americans   discover Construction       
313  3260 Americans   found the city of Ellipi    
314  3260 Americans   found the city of Akkad     
315  3260 Palmyra     destroyed
316  3260 Indians     found the city of Eridu     
317  3240 Rostov      destroyed
318  3240 Russians    found the city of Astrakhan 
319  3240 Cyrene      destroyed


    
320  3240 Zulus       found the city of Kish      
321  3240 Cordoba     destroyed
322  3240 French      found the city of Nippur    
323  3240 Tanis       destroyed
324  3240 Egyptians   found the city of Shuruppak 
325  3240 Uruk        destroyed
326  3240 Greeks      found the city of Zariqum   
327  3240 Jerusalem   destroyed
328  3240 Indians     found the city of Izibia    
329  3220 Seleucia    destroyed
330  3220 Zulus       found the city of Nimrud    
331  3220 Antioch     destroyed
332  3220 French      found the city of Arbela    
333  3220 Nineveh     destroyed
334  3220 Indians     found the city of Zamua     
335  3200 Riga        destroyed
336  3200 Russians    found the city of Berlin    
337  3200 Ashur       destroyed
338  3200 Zulus       found the city of Leipzig   
339  3200 Artaxata    destroyed
340  3200 Egyptians   found the city of Hamburg   
341  3200 Americans   discover Mysticism          
342  3200 Miletos     destroyed
343  3200 Greeks      found the city of Bremen    
344  3200 Eridu       destroyed
345  3200 Indians     found the city of Frankfurt 
346  3180 Kish        destroyed
347  3180 Zulus       found the city of Bonn      
348  3180 Arbela      destroyed
349  3180 Nippur      destroyed
350  3180 French      found the city of Nuremberg 
351  3180 French      found the city of Cologne   
352  3180 Izibia      destroyed
353  3180 Indians     found the city of Hannover  
354  3160 Berlin      destroyed
355  3160 Russians    found the city of Munich    
356  3160 Nimrud      destroyed
357  3160 Zulus       found the city of Stuttgart 
358  3160 French      make peace with Russians    
359  3160 Shuruppak   destroyed


   
360  3160 Egyptians   found the city of Heidelburg
361  3160 Bremen      destroyed
362  3160 Greeks      found the city of Salzburg  
363  3160 Zamua       destroyed
364  3160 Indians     found the city of Konigsberg
365  3140 Leipzig     destroyed
366  3140 Zulus       found the city of Dortmund  
367  3140 Cologne     destroyed
368  3140 French      found the city of Brandenburg   
369  3140 Frankfurt   destroyed
370  3140 Indians     found the city of Tenochtitlan  
371  3120 Astrakhan   destroyed
372  3120 Russians    found the city of Chiauhtia 
373  3120 Bonn        destroyed
374  3120 Zulus       found the city of Chapultepec   
375  3120 Hamburg     destroyed
376  3120 Egyptians   found the city of Coatepec  
377  3120 Americans   discover Bridge Building    
378  3120 Zariqum     destroyed
379  3120 Greeks      found the city of Ayotzinco 
380  3120 Hannover    destroyed
381  3120 Indians     found the city of Itzapalapa
382  3100 Stuttgart   destroyed
383  3100 Zulus       found the city of Iztapam   
384  3100 Brandenburg destroyed
385  3100 French      found the city of Mitxcoac  
386  3100 Konigsberg  destroyed
387  3100 Indians     found the city of Tacubaya  
388  3080 Chiauhtia   destroyed
389  3080 Russians    found the city of Tecamac   
390  3080 Dortmund    destroyed
391  3080 Zulus       found the city of Tepezinco 
392  3080 Nuremberg   destroyed
393  3080 French      found the city of Ticoman   
394  3080 Heidelburg  destroyed
395  3080 Egyptians   found the city of Tlaxcala  
396  3080 Ayotzinco   destroyed
397  3080 Greeks      found the city of Xaltocan  
398  3080 Tenochtitlandestroyed
399  3080 Indians     found the city of Xicalango 



400  3060 Chapultepec destroyed
401  3060 Zulus       found the city of Zumpanco  
402  3060 Americans   discover Monarchy           
403  3060 Itzapalapa  destroyed
404  3060 Indians     found the city of Peking    
405  3040 Munich      destroyed
406  3040 Russians    found the city of Shanghai  
407  3040 Iztapam     destroyed
408  3040 Zulus       found the city of Canton    
409  3040 Ticoman     destroyed
410  3040 Ravenna     destroyed
411  3040 French      found the city of Nanking   
412  3040 French      found the city of Tsingtao  
413  3040 Coatepec    destroyed
414  3040 Egyptians   found the city of Hangchow  
415  3040 Americans   form Monarchy               
416  3040 Salzburg    destroyed
417  3040 Greeks      found the city of Tientsin  
418  3040 Tacubaya    destroyed
419  3040 Indians     found the city of Tatung    
420  3020 Tepezinco   destroyed
421  3020 Zulus       found the city of Macao     
422  3020 Xicalango   destroyed
423  3020 Indians     found the city of Anyang    
424  3000 Americans   22 CITIES; 730,000 POPULATION   
425  1:Ameri 2:Russi 3:Greek 4:Egypt 5:India 6:Zulus 7:Frenc                    
426  3000 Zumpanco    destroyed
427  3000 Zulus       found the city of Shantung  
428  3000 Mitxcoac    destroyed
429  3000 Tsingtao    destroyed
430  3000 French      found the city of Chinan    
431  3000 French      found the city of Kaifeng   
432  3000 Tlaxcala    destroyed
433  3000 Egyptians   found the city of Ningpo    
434  3000 Tientsin    destroyed
435  3000 Greeks      found the city of Paoting   
436  3000 Peking      destroyed
437  3000 Indians     found the city of Yangchow  
438  2980 Shanghai    destroyed
439  2980 Russians    found the city of London    


    
440  2980 Egyptians   found the city of Coventry  
441  2980 Americans   discover Literacy           
442  2980 Americans   found the city of Birmingham
443  2980 Americans   found the city of Dover     
444  2980 Tatung      destroyed
445  2980 Indians     found the city of Nottingham
446  2960 Russians    found the city of York      
447  2960 Shantung    destroyed
448  2960 Macao       destroyed
449  2960 Zulus       found the city of Liverpool 
450  2960 Zulus       found the city of Brighton  
451  2960 French      declare war on Greeks       
452  2960 Kaifeng     destroyed
453  2960 French      found the city of Oxford    
454  2960 Hangchow    destroyed
455  2960 Egyptians   found the city of Reading   
456  2960 Americans   found the city of Exeter    
457  2960 Xaltocan    destroyed
458  2960 Greeks      found the city of Cambridge 
459  2960 Anyang      destroyed
460  2960 Indians     found the city of Hastings  
461  2940 London      destroyed
462  2940 Russians    found the city of Canterbury
463  2940 Nanking     destroyed
464  2940 French      found the city of Banbury   
465  2940 Ningpo      destroyed
466  2940 Egyptians   found the city of Newcastle 
467  2940 Americans   found the city of Samarkand 
468  2940 Americans   found the city of Bokhara   
469  2940 Yangchow    destroyed
470  2940 Indians     found the city of Nishapur  
471  2920 Tecamac     destroyed
472  2920 Russians    found the city of Karakorum 
473  2920 Liverpool   destroyed
474  2920 Canton      destroyed
475  2920 Zulus       found the city of Kashgar   
476  2920 Zulus       found the city of Tabriz    
477  2920 Chinan      destroyed
478  2920 French      found the city of Aleppo    
479  2920 Americans   found the city of Kabul     


     
480  2920 Paoting     destroyed
481  2920 Greeks      found the city of Ormuz     
482  2920 Nottingham  destroyed
483  2920 Indians     found the city of Basra     
484  2900 York        destroyed
485  2900 Russians    found the city of Khanbalyk 
486  2900 Oxford      destroyed
487  2900 French      found the city of Khorasan  
488  2900 Newcastle   destroyed
489  2900 Americans   found the city of Shangtu   
490  2900 Hastings    destroyed
491  2900 Indians     found the city of Kazan     
492  2880 Brighton    destroyed
493  2880 Tabriz      destroyed
494  2880 Zulus       found the city of Quinsay   
495  2880 Zulus       found the city of Kerman    
496  2880 Reading     destroyed
497  2880 Egyptians   found the city of Yolo
498  2880 Americans   discover Mathematics        
499  2880 Americans   discover Astronomy          
500  2880 Cambridge   destroyed
501  2880 Greeks      found the city of Yolo
502  2880 Nishapur    destroyed
503  2880 Indians     found the city of Yolo
504  2860 Canterbury  destroyed
505  2860 Russians    found the city of Yolo
506  2860 Banbury     destroyed
507  2860 French      found the city of Yolo
508  2860 Americans   found the city of Yolo
509  2860 Basra       destroyed
510  2860 Indians     found the city of Yolo
511  2840 Khanbalyk   destroyed
512  2840 Russians    found the city of Yolo
513  2840 Kerman      destroyed
514  2840 Zulus       found the city of Yolo
515  2840 Aleppo      destroyed
516  2840 French      found the city of Yolo
517  2840 Yolo  destroyed
518  2840 Ormuz       destroyed
519  2840 Greeks      found the city of Yolo


      
520  2840 Kazan       destroyed
521  2840 Indians     found the city of Yolo
522  2820 Karakorum   destroyed
523  2820 Russians    found the city of Yolo
524  2820 Kashgar     destroyed
525  2820 Zulus       found the city of Yolo
526  2820 Khorasan    destroyed
527  2820 French      found the city of Yolo
528  2820 Americans   discover Engineering        
529  2820 Yolo  destroyed
530  2820 Indians     found the city of Yolo
531  2800 Yolo  destroyed
532  2800 Russians    found the city of Yolo
533  2800 Quinsay     destroyed
534  2800 Zulus       found the city of Yolo
535  2800 Yolo  destroyed
536  2800 French      found the city of Yolo
537  2800 Yolo  destroyed
538  2800 Greeks      found the city of Yolo
539  2800 Yolo  destroyed
540  2800 Indians     found the city of Yolo
541  2780 Yolo  destroyed
542  2780 Zulus       found the city of Yolo
543  2780 Yolo  destroyed
544  2780 French      found the city of Yolo
545  2780 Egyptians   found the city of Yolo
546  2780 Americans   discover Navigation         
547  2780 Americans   found the city of Yolo
548  2780 Americans   found the city of Yolo
549  2780 Yolo  destroyed
550  2780 Indians     found the city of Yolo
551  2760 Yolo  destroyed
552  2760 Russians    found the city of Yolo
553  2760 Yolo  destroyed
554  2760 French      found the city of Yolo
555  2760 Yolo  destroyed
556  2760 Greeks      found the city of Yolo
557  2760 Yolo  destroyed
558  2760 Indians     found the city of Yolo
559  2740 Yolo  destroyed


     
560  2740 Russians    found the city of Yolo
561  2740 Yolo  destroyed
562  2740 Yolo  destroyed
563  2740 Zulus       found the city of Yolo
564  2740 Zulus       found the city of Yolo
565  2740 Yolo  destroyed
566  2740 French      found the city of Yolo
567  2740 Yolo  destroyed
568  2740 Americans   discover The Republic       
569  2740 Americans   discover Physics            
570  2740 Yolo  destroyed
571  2740 Indians     found the city of Yolo
572  2720 Yolo  destroyed
573  2720 Russians    found the city of Yolo
574  2720 Yolo  destroyed
575  2720 French      found the city of Yolo
576  2720 Americans   found the city of Yolo
577  2720 Americans   found the city of Yolo
578  2720 Yolo  destroyed
579  2720 Greeks      found the city of Yolo
580  2720 Yolo  destroyed
581  2720 Indians     found the city of Yolo
582  2700 Yolo  destroyed
583  2700 Russians    found the city of Yolo
584  2700 Yolo  destroyed
585  2700 Zulus       found the city of Yolo
586  2700 Yolo  destroyed
587  2700 French      found the city of Yolo
588  2700 Egyptians   found the city of Yolo
589  2700 Americans   discover Philosophy         
590  2700 Americans   found the city of Yolo
591  2700 Yolo  destroyed
592  2700 Indians     found the city of Yolo
593  2680 Yolo  destroyed
594  2680 Zulus       found the city of Yolo
595  2680 Americans   found the city of Yolo
596  2680 Yolo  destroyed
597  2680 Greeks      found the city of Yolo
598  2680 Yolo  destroyed
599  2680 Indians     found the city of Yolo


       
600  2660 Yolo  destroyed
601  2660 Russians    found the city of Yolo
602  2660 Yolo  destroyed
603  2660 Zulus       found the city of Yolo
604  2660 Yolo  destroyed
605  2660 Yolo  destroyed
606  2660 French      found the city of Yolo
607  2660 Coventry    destroyed
608  2660 Egyptians   found the city of Yolo
609  2660 Yolo  destroyed
610  2660 Indians     found the city of Yolo
611  2640 Yolo  destroyed
612  2640 Russians    found the city of Yolo
613  2640 Americans   discover Religion           
614  2640 Yolo  destroyed
615  2640 Yolo  destroyed
616  2640 Indians     found the city of Yolo
617  2620 Yolo  destroyed
618  2620 Russians    found the city of Yolo
619  2620 Yolo  destroyed
620  2620 Zulus       found the city of Yolo
621  2620 Yolo  destroyed
622  2620 French      found the city of Yolo
623  2620 Yolo  destroyed
624  2620 Egyptians   found the city of Yolo
625  2620 Yolo  destroyed
626  2620 Indians     found the city of Yolo
627  2600 Yolo  destroyed
628  2600 Russians    found the city of Yolo
629  2600 Yolo  destroyed
630  2600 Zulus       found the city of Yolo
631  2600 French      found the city of Yolo
632  2600 Americans   discover Trade              
633  2600 Greeks      found the city of Yolo
634  2600 Yolo  destroyed
635  2600 Indians     found the city of Yolo
636  2580 Yolo  destroyed
637  2580 Zulus       found the city of Yolo
638  2580 Yolo  destroyed
639  2580 Egyptians   found the city of Yolo


         
640  2580 Yolo  destroyed
641  2580 Indians     found the city of Yolo
642  2560 Yolo  destroyed
643  2560 Russians    found the city of Yolo
644  2560 Yolo  destroyed
645  2560 Zulus       found the city of Yolo
646  2560 Yolo  destroyed
647  2560 Yolo  destroyed
648  2560 French      found the city of Yolo
649  2560 French      found the city of Yolo
650  2560 Americans   discover Banking            
651  2560 Americans   found the city of Yolo
652  2560 Yolo  destroyed
653  2560 Greeks      found the city of Yolo
654  2560 Yolo  destroyed
655  2560 Indians     found the city of Yolo
656  2540 Yolo  destroyed
657  2540 Russians    found the city of Yolo
658  2540 Yolo  destroyed
659  2540 Egyptians   found the city of Yolo
660  2540 Americans   found the city of Yolo
661  2540 Yolo  destroyed
662  2540 Indians     found the city of Yolo
663  2520 Yolo  destroyed
664  2520 Russians    found the city of Yolo
665  2520 Yolo  destroyed
666  2520 Yolo  destroyed
667  2520 Zulus       found the city of Yolo
668  2520 Zulus       found the city of Yolo
669  2520 Yolo  destroyed
670  2520 French      found the city of Yolo
671  2520 Americans   discover Magnetism          
672  2520 Yolo  destroyed
673  2520 Greeks      found the city of Yolo
674  2520 Yolo  destroyed
675  2520 Indians     found the city of Yolo
676  2500 Yolo  destroyed
677  2500 Russians    found the city of Yolo
678  2500 Yolo  destroyed
679  2500 Egyptians   found the city of Yolo


 
680  2500 Yolo  destroyed
681  2500 Indians     found the city of Yolo
682  2480 Yolo  destroyed
683  2480 Zulus       found the city of Yolo
684  2480 Yolo  destroyed
685  2480 Yolo  destroyed
686  2480 Americans   discover University
687  2480 Yolo  destroyed
688  2480 Greeks      found the city of Yolo
689  2480 Yolo  destroyed
690  2480 Indians     found the city of Yolo
691  2460 Yolo  destroyed
692  2460 Russians    found the city of Yolo
693  2460 Yolo  destroyed
694  2460 Zulus       found the city of Yolo
695  2460 Yolo  destroyed

 

[kirkham7]

That's very interesting. The only thing I've done outside of the game is edit the map with terraform, and give everyone gold with civedit. My only guess at this point is that the other civs kept trying to build settlers, therefore destroying their cities. The only other save I have is at 3900 bc when I have just the one city. If you want me to post that, let me know.

 

[Dark_Nephi]

I was always under the impression that once you got to a point where you used all the names that it started using unused city names from other civs. IE i was german and they offered me the city name of Mecca.

 

[kirkham7]

Yes, but after all of those city names are used, then all of the city names suggested are the same.

 

[Valen]

The Replay file posted by Dack answers it all for me.
Look at all the lines in the file that say "<city> destroyed".
The next line in the file is almost invariably "<same Civ> found the city of ...".

I postulate the following:
(1) The AI has a new settler because he just destroyed a city producing it.
(2) At this point the "hey this looks like a good spot for a city" logic kicks in and the settler builds a city in the same spot.
(3) The cheap settlers and ready cash make building settlers favorable in the new city so the pattern repeats.

The Americans are the only ones not destroying cities, so I assume this is kirkham7.

I was always under the impression that once you got to a point where you used all the names that it started using unused city names from other civs. IE i was german and they offered me the city name of Mecca.

The first civs to run through their 16-city lists were the Zulus and the Indians.
The Zulus start on the Mecca list in 3600 followed closely by the Indians in 3580.

By the time the Zulus found Sydney (end of the Mecca list) in 3360, everyone but the Greeks (16th in 3320) and Russians (16th in 3240) have built their 16 cities.

With all Mecca-Sydney cities founded, the game has to go looking elsewhere for city names.
The first available is the Roman list.
In 3360, the French found Rome. This city is destroyed in 3300. Since there is no record of its capture and AIs don't rename cities, we can assume the rename to Yolo happened later.
The Roman cities are used up in 3280; Babylonian in 3220; German in 3140.
The next available city list in the Aztec cities.
With all 7 civs building cities at a frenetic pace, the last 64 city names are used up by 2880.

With all 256 city names used up, the game falls back on its "array overflow" logic:
Use the first element in the city name array (initially "Rome").

This is confirmed by the fact that renaming any of the post-Kerman "Rome"s to "Yolo" renames them all.

All-in-all, this is the most informative test of the game logic I've seen in years.

 

[Dack]

I postulate the following:
(1) The AI has a new settler because he just destroyed a city producing it.
(2) At this point the "hey this looks like a good spot for a city" logic kicks in and the settler builds a city in the same spot.
(3) The cheap settlers and ready cash make building settlers favorable in the new city so the pattern repeats.

One (1) above is not that clear to me. Are you saying that;
(A) The loss of a city make the games civilizations (the AI) want to produce a settler in one of its remaining cities
or
(B) That the city failed and left the remaining settler in its place

I wonder why there is no development among the other civilization? The first 4 attachments show that the games civilization have made no strides at any development. Thinking about this made me look at the unit descriptor data. The settlers have been altered to give movement of 3 and the cost has been lowered to 3.

For me this exercise has shown that
1) When all the city names are used up the game defaults to the first (Rome).
2) When the replay area is full the game has been coded to not overwrite the next data area but to stop storing data.

I&#8217;m half tempted to reset the replay data area to empty and to reset the currently unused city names to never used status. But (and it is a big BUT) will any CIV version continue this activity or has the EXE been altered?EDIT: Just a crazy on an unaltered 474.05

 

[Valen]

One (1) above is not that clear to me. Are you saying that;
(A) The loss of a city make the games civilizations (the AI) want to produce a settler in one of its remaining cities
or
(B) That the city failed and left the remaining settler in its place

(B) The AI produced a settler before the city population reached 2. This turns the city into a settler.

Clearly, something (lots of cash?) has pushed the AI "What shall we build" decision strongly in favor of rushed settlers.

 

[kirkham7]

Actually, lots of cash isn't the whole cause. I once changed the cost of a settler to 1 (instead of the 3 in this saved game), with the exact same result. 'The computer' would build as many settlers as possible, unable to realize that they would destroy their cities (or not care).

To somewhat counter-balance the cost of a settler, I have increased the amount of food and production each square gives. This makes for a faster game, as far city sizes go anyway. I'm playing a game on emperor where the Chinese have city sizes of 10 and 12 by 2000 bc. It's quite fun.

 

[Dack]

I took the MAP & SVE from post 5 of this thread, removed the replay data, Marked all on the unused city names back to there original never state
Three Russian cites
03 Yolo
07 Yolo
37 Yolo

For clarity I modified the city name pointers to the following (marking these new names as used)
03 Nicopolis
07 Byzantium
37 Brundisium – the two units to the southeast belong to this city

Just north of these cities I placed a carrier with a number of bombers to use as observation airplanes.

2460BC start of human move
Nicopolis is working on a militia
Byzantium is working on a Phalanx
Brundisium is working on a settler
Moved bombers in place to watch movement.

2440BC start
Brundisium has produced a settler and self-destructed. With this failure its three units Phalanx, Phalanx and militia have been removed also. The resulting settler belongs to Nicopolis and has moved off to the southeast.

2420BC start
The settler belonging to Nicopolis has built Moscow
Byzantium has produced to a settler causing the city to fail. The resulting settler has founded Leningrad.

Replay data

2440BC Brundisium  destroyed                              
2420BC Byzantium   destroyed                              
2420BC Russians    found the city of Moscow               
2420BC Russians    found the city of Leningrad

So the assumption is that this repeats until the city name list is exhausted. Then repeats with the first city name. None of the competing civilization develops but remains in this loop.

I found this interesting only in that it provided data of testing a full replay data area, and secondly that it showed what happens when the city name table is exhausted.

Also a cautionary tale that modifying the EXE and the unit descriptor table can lead to unpredictable results I had determined the above before kirkham7 made the previous post but I had suspected that there were alterations.

The Replay file ... answers it all for me.

Valen observations are spot on.

Attached MAP & SVE with bombers if you want to see for yourself.

 

[Autumn Leaf]

Sorry to resurrect a thread two years dead, but I notice that nobody includes city location info in their Replays. I sometimes recycle city names and I find location quite handy when figuring out what was going on at tight points in complex games. See screenshot.

Location information is included in the Replay data for every city founded, captured or destroyed. Also, as a side issue, by keeping track of cities founded and captured, it is possible from the Replay data to figure out the most recent owner for a captured or destroyed city, which information I use here to set the color in my Replay but it could also be used to e.g. figure out how many cities a civ had at some arbitrary date. In the attached screenshot you can see that the English captured the Russian city of Minsk and then the English city of Minsk was destroyed (actually I nabbed a NONE Settler from the unwanted and indefensible size 1 city ).

Anyway, including city location in the replays above would have made it easy to figure out what was happening in the game discussed in this thread.