Am I able to complete liberty & tradition policies in marathon mode?

[SilverWing]

I havent played this in quite some time now and starting up again. Man! do I miss this game!

Im playing as Elizabeth, Huge Map/ Marathon, Ancient Era. Im in no rush for anything. Just a nice long relaxing game from time to time.

Was wondering if I'm able to fully complete policies Tradition & Liberty policies before I enter Classical Era? I can't remember.


My typical strategy is: spread wide, Build up, then Conquer the world.
I was gonna do Liberty first for the "grow the empire fast and take as much land as I can" approach before building "up". I would like to grab the Tradition policy's "Monarch" perk just for historic and "in character" purposes. But just wanted to know if its possible to complete both before Classical

Thanks

 

[guinsoo]

I don't know anything about Marathon speed, but I'm highly skeptical you can complete both trees before Classical era... let alone even one?

 

[Ninakoru]

I doubt it, much less likely with England, that civ doesn't have any boost to culture. I'm not sure about game speeds but culture is proportional, culture needed should be 3x std speed.

You enter classical fairly quick, even on marathon, you will not even finish one branch, the cost goes up pretty hard and after 5-6 policies you will need big numbers. To get both ASAP, the best path I can think of, fould be: Tradition opener, liberty to settler freebie, then to representation for culture cut, found 4+ cities and build monument on them, once liberty finished, get legalism for 4 free amphiteathers, fill tradition.

 

[IkM]

I don't think so. you need a civ which have culture boost. anyway, even with culture based civ you may not complete both before enter classical era.

 

[kirbdog]

It's might just barely be possible if you cap your capital at size 1, never build science stuff, and do nothing but focus on culture.

 

[ense7en]

No.

You can finish both by the end of the game though.

Play as France, far better suited for wide with lots of culture.

 

[sufficiency]

Yes, but there is no point to do so.

I rather finish one of Tradition or Liberty + Patronage.

 

[SilverWing]

Gotcha. Thank you all for your responses.

I noticed when I was searching the forums I didnt pick a very good word to search at first which prompted me to ask. so my apologies for that. I did see many threads with people asking and debating which policy to start off with.

While I was playing, on my very first 4th turn I received a cultural boost from a ancient ruins and I was able to pick a social policy super early in the game. So I picked Liberty for the purpose of growing wide first.

Also from reading the forums I understand that Elizabeth may be abit "underpowered?", however I always manage to succeed regardless of land or sea and Im guessing its because Im playing marathon on normal difficulty where as many play Civ5 on the shorter time settings and harder difficulties.

If England is underpowered, that just makes me want to play it more because of Elizabeth's rise from weak to becoming the most feared in the history books lol. i like the challenge.

 

[SilverWing]

Another thing I noticed is some people eventually do both Tradition and Liberty over time. Are there special reasons as to why this is or isnt a good idea? Thanks

 

[Unresolved]

Another thing I noticed is some people eventually do both Tradition and Liberty over time. Are there special reasons as to why this is or isnt a good idea? Thanks

People only do Tradition and Liberty in the same game if going for a culture victory. In any other game, you will never go for both because there are better trees to fill.

 

[SilverWing]

Thank you my friend

 

[Carmack]

No.

You can finish both by the end of the game though.

Play as France, far better suited for wide with lots of culture.

Yep, France can pull off a tradition and liberty completer early in the game and the two trees have surprisingly great synergy. However, I don't know if you can complete both trees with any civilization before the classical age ends. I think raw mathematics are against you in that regard, unless you get some miraculously lucky culture-boosting turn-of-events in your early game.

 

[VilePilot]

Go honor, military tradition and mass build longbows.


Have fun.

 

[JJOne]

If you concentrate on culture and get a cultural NW or a strong cultural religion bonus, you might be able to complete both tradition and liberty in the medieval era.
On marathon you could finish a policy tree and open up the second in the classical period. Some say it's suboptimal, but I usually choose honor for that.