Any way to find out world seed number after game started?

[Gracchi]

Is there any way to find out the world seed number after the game has started but when you can't use 'play last world'?

Basically, I've got a saved game. I want to start it again from the beginning but I don't have any earlier saves and I don't know the world seed number. Is there anything I can do?

 

[Renata]

Yes, there's a utility called SeedBeast that will do it. Try a search in the Customization forum; sorry I don't have a link handy.

One important thing: save the whole output of the program to a text file, not just the seed number. When it comes time to start up the new game, you'll need to put all the settings (barbarians, world size, climate, etcetera) the same as they were originally, or you won't get exactly the same map, even with the same seed number.

Oh, and welcome to CFC!

Renata

 

[Doc Tsiolkovski]

And, it does matter if the original start was with a SEA Civ - in that case, you'll get a different start with a non-SEA Civ.

 

[Gracchi]

Excellent, thank you very much. I'm going to try this the moment I get home from work...

 

[Gracchi]

Bah, bit of a problem...

Games from older versions of conquests don't work. Nothing to help with that? It just says "failed reading save file"

Anything that can be done?

 

[HellboundHeathcliff]

Just curious why you are playing an older version?

 

[Renata]

SeedBeast gave that message? Is there an earlier version of the utility that you could download?

Renata

 

[Gracchi]

I'm trying to get the seed from a game which was played in the earlier version, I'm not playing earlier versions.

Also, I'm having a dreadful time getting the same starting location. It moves me to where one of the other civs started, even if all the settings and all the civs were the same. Grrrrrrrrrrrrr.

 

[gmaharriet]

Also, I'm having a dreadful time getting the same starting location. It moves me to where one of the other civs started, even if all the settings and all the civs were the same. Grrrrrrrrrrrrr.

I've sometimes done that on purpose when I found a great map, but didn't like my original placement on it. I just use Play Last World with either the same or a different civ, taking a chance that I'll be in the juicy spot the AI had with 4 luxes and good resources.

 

[Gracchi]

Ya, basically that's what I'm trying to do here. One of the first games I ever played on deity was this map, but I got owned and deleted almost all of the saves. Now that I've played more I want to try it again, I just can't get the same starting location, it exists and all - I've checked by retiring after the first turn, someone always gets it, just not me.

 

[Renata]

I'm confused: were you able to get the world seed or not? If you were able to get the world seed and have successfully started a game with the right map (but incorrect starting positions), you can fix the positions in the editor. I'm not sure why they came out incorrectly, though; I've only done this a couple of times.

Renata

 

[Gracchi]

ah, forgot about the editor...hadn't thought of that. I've never used the editor before...guess I'll have to figure it out now.

Edit: Putting in the world seed into civ3 edit does not pull up the right map, even with all the settings done the same. This is starting to be too much work...

 

[Turner]

You could also try to 'build' this world in the editor. When you create the world, you have all the options that the game gives you, as well as seed number.

 

[Gracchi]

Well, creating the world in the editor doesn'twork (is it because this is a conquests map and its the same editor as came with vanilla?) and civ3 edit doesn't appear to be able to open saved games but only scenarios... so I'm at a loss.

 

[HellboundHeathcliff]

C3C comes with it's own editor.

 

[Turner]

You need to open a blank map. Then click on 'Generate World'. You can then enter your stats, and pick your number seed. It should work.

Conquests comes with it's own editor. And the editors have never been able to open save games....

 

[Renata]

What Turner said. Make sure you use the C3C editor; it should be in your C3C subfolder.

Assigning starting positions isn't hard, but if I tried to explain it without the editor open in front of me, I'd be sure to mess it up. Someone else can probably do the honors.

Renata

 

[Turner]

Oh, that's easy.

Right Click on the starting position. Select 'Reassign'. Then you have various choices to make. I always take the last one, because that goes by player number. Set it to '1', and you're good to go.

 

[Renata]

See, I forgot all about the multiple choices; I'd probably have just wound up confusing him.

One last thing: Once you have the player starting position set, save the scenario; it should default to your C3C scenarios folder.

Now open C3C. *Don't* open the scenario; start a normal game. Choose all the same settings your intended scenario is supposed to have, including difficulty level, victory options, barb and world settings, all of it.

Once you are at the starting screen with your settler ready to settle and all that, go to the main menu and choose Civ-Content (this is the scenario folder). Pick the scenario you just made in the editor and confirm you start as the correct civ in the correct place.

Save the 4000BC starting position so you have it later. Now you're good to go.

The reason why you have to load a normal game first with the same settings as your intended game is that C3C has a sort of bug: whenever you open a new game, the settings default to whatever you used immediately previously. With a normal game, this doesn't matter much as long as you pay attention (although it's the genesis of a billion 'why am I playing elimination in an epic game' questions on the forum), but scenarios can get messed up.

Good luck,
Renata

 

[Gracchi]

Do you mean start a game, then quit the game then start the scenario? Otherwise it looks impossible to have scientific leaders, which is quite silly...

Edit: Think I fixed it all, probably won't get a scientific leader anyways, so I won't even notice if it didn't work.