anyone else finding...

[zerj]

I was going to try multiplayer but that was clearly an afterthought. Not even a chat room before joining a game or pings or anything resembling a good multiplayer interface.

Well multiplayer in CIV is somewhat difficult anyway. With any normal multiplayer game the game is normally over in at most an hour. So there isn't much risk getting a game going with someone. With Civ5 the game is just getting started an hour in. You'd probably be lucky to get a game completed in a week (assuming you all have a life). It would royally suck to get 3 hours in and have your opponent go AFK for the next month. So with Civ scouting out who your playing with is a much bigger issue and doesn't seem like something solved by the game itself. I'll probably stick to playing people I already know.

 

[Zechnophobe]

Well I am a complete opposite of you guys.

Civ5 was boring like to me when i started playing.

But one new game changed it all.

I basically turned off animated fighting and moving. And I was shocked. The game just turned out like the good old Civ for me. Turns take basically 100000 times faster, everything looks smooth, Just like good old Civ4.

and now I'm really in awe that I figured out what was missing for me in previouos CIV5 games.

Wait, how do you turn off animated movement? I would walk 500 miles, and then I'd walk 500 more to find this out. And I'm quadriplegic.

 

[jahsoldier]

Not me.

StarCraft II on the other hand, bored me after about 1 hour...

say what you like about blizzard, but they released a finished game

 

[charon2112]

say what you like about blizzard, but they released a finished game

For me, Civ V was finished...at least as far as bugs are concerned.

But would you rather have a game you want to play, and is somewhat unfinished...or have a finished game that bores you to tears?

 

[DoubleAG]

Go download Valkrionn's economy mod. It makes everything so much better. Most things take less than ten turns to build in a good production city. It definitely makes the game alot more enjoyable. The research is slowed down too so you won't end up in the industrial age in the 13th century.

 

[MadRat]

I am spending more time on CiV forums than playing now.. O.o

Rat

 

[jahsoldier]

no bugs? maybe, but the game itself is quite evidently not finished. I can forgive a few bugs if they patch it soon afterwards. Releasing half a game and charging full whack for it is a lot more damning.

Besides, I love Starcraft as well as Civ so I've got that to fall back on til they sort this out.

 

[Lanstro]

I'm still ok. Am pacing myself and waiting for patches. The game's still interesting as long as you don't go for unbalanced strategies that will likely be patched in future (eg horsemen heavy strategies, abuse of puppet states, etc)

 

[jahsoldier]

Go download Valkrionn's economy mod. It makes everything so much better. Most things take less than ten turns to build in a good production city. It definitely makes the game alot more enjoyable. The research is slowed down too so you won't end up in the industrial age in the 13th century.

Have done, and it does make the game a lot more fun (congrats on a great mod Valkrionn), but until the horrible AI/diplomacy is fixed you're still left with a pretty poor experience.

 

[anhalibut]

I'm most definitely bored with it.
I gave it 30-40 hours but just couldn't find the fun.
Most Civ games are alternately fun or frustrating for me, but this is the first one that bored me.
It is now uninstalled (along with Steam). Oh well.
Maybe it's time to try Patrician IV.

 

[charon2112]

Go download Valkrionn's economy mod. It makes everything so much better. Most things take less than ten turns to build in a good production city. It definitely makes the game alot more enjoyable. The research is slowed down too so you won't end up in the industrial age in the 13th century.

This is a great mod, actually. It doesn't buff resources to a crazy level, it's subtle and balances things nicely.

 

[Countmonte8242]

Yep. I had some fun, wanted to love the game. It was different, but I wanted to believe that some of these radical changes had been well explored and were believed to make the series better. But my jury is now in, they don't. This is no longer Civilization to me and its quite a letdown. I'm so bored in fact that I opened up a game of Civ2 a few days ago.

 

[charon2112]

I personally haven't had any bugs, I know many folks have though...

no bugs? maybe, but the game itself is quite evidently not finished. I can forgive a few bugs if they patch it soon afterwards. Releasing half a game and charging full whack for it is a lot more damning.

Besides, I love Starcraft as well as Civ so I've got that to fall back on til they sort this out.

 

[Murky]

I personally haven't had any bugs, I know many folks have though...

No offense, but you remind of "Baghdad bob." That guy who kept shouting that the US led invasion had failed just as tanks rolled into the city.

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[Becephalus]

This is exactly how I feel about it too...by the standards of other games, I'd expect maybe 60 hours of entertainment. But for Civ the standard has always been that much higher. I've got my 60 hours since release, but is Civ5 going to live up to past iterations? Not without some big changes as far as I'm concerned.

If you expect much more entertainment why don't you also expect higher prices?

 

[Adam7Eight]

Not bored, just frustrated.

 

[DalekDavros]

If you expect much more entertainment why don't you also expect higher prices?

Because "utility" and "value" are distinct economic concepts?

 

[falconne]

These forums are more fun than the game.

If you expect much more entertainment why don't you also expect higher prices?

Because this isn't a case of how much material or manpower goes in to a product, it's a case of the gameplay mechanics they chose. They chose a system to appeal to a mass market instead of players who like complexity. Making a proper "Civ" game wouldn't have cost more development time than what they had with this, we're just annoyed the developers chose to go in a different direction.

 

[Becephalus]

These forums are more fun than the game.



Because this isn't a case of how much material or manpower goes in to a product, it's a case of the gameplay mechanics they chose. They chose a system to appeal to a mass market instead of players who like complexity. Making a proper "Civ" game wouldn't have cost more development time than what they had with this, we're just annoyed the developers chose to go in a different direction.

I think this comment is just pure insanity.

A: Why wouldn't they appeal to a mass market.
B: I feel they made VERY minor sacrifices in this direction. Almost all of the changes were improvements anyway.
C: What is a proper Civ game? The Civ game YOU want to play? Because initially many wouldn't have thought Civ 3 or Civ 4 were proper Civ games.

I think the number of people annoyed with the direction the developers took is probably under 2% of their total consumers. I think most of the dissatisfied people are more annoyed with implementation, and that the dissatisfied people probably make up les than 10$% of the market. Have you seen how many games Total War sells despite every one of their games being terrible at release?

 

[Becephalus]

Because "utility" and "value" are distinct economic concepts?

THe price of most thigns has increased about 75% since 1991 when I was buying my first games. ANd yet the price of the games is close to the same. This has a lot to do with the market's growth, but it also has to do with the need to keep it in teenage price ranges unfortunately.

Most adults would I hope be willing like myself to pay 150 or 200 for truly great games instead of 50 for some half finsihed crap and then slowly wait for expansions and mods.

BUt there is no inceitve for the games industry to do this, and I get the feeling even the people demanding the industry release flawless games wouldn't actually be willing to pay for what that would mean in costs.

You have to be realistic.