Anyone Making a World War II Scenario?

[Anielewicz]

Is this the right forum to post it? Is anyone making a World War II Scenario? I think it would be great for Civ3!

 

[mfauzi]

I'm not sure if there's any threads here but I saw one on Apolyton: http://apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=28195

 

[Anielewicz]

Hmm, that WWII mod is about a world map set in World War II.

A bit daunting wouldn't you think eh? Its much simpler sticking with the Euro-Nothern African Theatre and East Asia-Pacific Theatre separate.

Euro-N. Africa could consist of:
1.Germany
2.Soviet Union
3.France
4.Britain
5.Italy
6.United States
7.Spain
8.Finland
9.Turkey
10.Neutrals
11.Axis Allies(Small states not worth mentioning)
12.Greece
13.Yugoslavia

East Asia-Pacific could consist of:
1.Communist China
2.Nationalist China
3.Japan
4.Soviet Union
5.United States
6.British Commonwealth
7.French Indochina
8.Dutch East Indies

Whatcha think?

 

[mfauzi]

Oh yes! I shudder to think of the length of turn a whole world WW2 scenario would be like :crazyeyes

For Euro WW2:
What about switzerland? I guess maybe it's neutral.
Poland maybe? Just before they get split? And the dutch? If they held long enough, they could be a launching point for the allies.. just a guess..

For Pacific theatre:
Siam (modern day Thailand) did play a significant role in allowing a right of passage and building of bases (forts?) in their territory in exchange for peace and non-agression. Japan was able to launch an attack into Malaya with this help. And the portuguese still had a territory in Timor and Macau, but I guess this is really minor. However, we do have lots of slots, so why not use it? We could put Mongolia too just as a buffer between the Chinese and Soviet Union

Just my 2 cents

 

[Mig1]

Why not just make a copy of the old Civ II WW2 scenario? Somebody should do that.

 

[mfauzi]

Originally posted by Mig1
Why not just make a copy of the old Civ II WW2 scenario? Somebody should do that.

Well, we probably would want to tweak it well enough to take advantage of what Civ III have to offer. I mean, as soon as they improve on the game editor so we can actually make a scenario. Hopefully, it will be at least as good as the editor in Civ II- CiC, if not better.

 

[Scipio Africanu]

Communist China didn't come into existence until 1948 and then didn't really become a power until 1954, about the time they invaded Tibet. So they could not well exist during the WWII conflict.

 

[Anielewicz]

Originally posted by Scipio Africanu
Communist China didn't come into existence until 1948 and then didn't really become a power until 1954, about the time they invaded Tibet. So they could not well exist during the WWII conflict.

China was not united during the war against Japan. There was an uneasy peace between the communists and nationalists. After 1941, the communists fought Japan independently. In this Civ 3 game, it would be much nore interesting to see a fragmented China against the powerful Japanese military than a make believe united China.

Mfauzi:

Having Poland may be a good idea, but it depends on how early the scenario wants to start.

I forgot about Siam, they did have double dealings didn't they, eh? Working with the Japanese... but not directly...

 

[mfauzi]

Originally posted by Anielewicz


China was not united during the war against Japan. There was an uneasy peace between the communists and nationalists. After 1941, the communists fought Japan independently. In this Civ 3 game, it would be much nore interesting to see a fragmented China against the powerful Japanese military than a make believe united China.

Mfauzi:

Having Poland may be a good idea, but it depends on how early the scenario wants to start.

I forgot about Siam, they did have double dealings didn't they, eh? Working with the Japanese... but not directly...

I guess China still had a civil war at that time. It was only after a turn of events (something about Chiang Kai-sheik getting kidnapped and convinced into allying with the communist against Japan) that both factions defended against Japan. However, I haven't really read up much on that. I thought the communist only started attacking the nationalists after the war or something. But China was divided, that's for sure.

Yeah, siam really didn't want to be the "bad guy" but all they want is peace, so they chose not to get in the way.

 

[topguy]

These are the countries I find interesting:

1.Germany
2.Soviet Union
3.France
4.Britain
5.Italy
6.United States
7.Spain
8.Finland
9.Turkey
10.Greece
11.Yugoslavia
12.Switzerland
13.Dutch(as mfauzi said in his post it might be a good idea-there are 16 countries possible so if you have more counties the more interesting scerario-even id they would lost there country in a few turns, but there is always a possiblity that they could depend someway)
14.Poland(ok this one is a must the scenario should begin when the axis attack Poland- it is a BIG country and even if it will lost almost every city it can move all units to one city and defend it(rebels would also be a good idea- they could also move to one city) Afcourse the german would crush poland easily but how about the allies would send Poland some units, Poland would be able to defend for some time and then sign a peace treaty) When either soviet union or the axis would be loosing Poland could counter attack and regain a city or two) My point is that if there is more countires the better I would like to play Poland for example(it woud be a HARD game but everything is possible)
15 and 16 hmm dont know really but i think that there should be countries here as well

OK thats all for now btw is there anyone from here planning to make such a scenario?

 

[Alturiak]

the Netherlands and Belgium and Luxembourg could be Made as 1 civ called BENELUX ,aldo i dont know if Luxembourg existed (apologise for ignorance) and was canada still under GB? oh Ireland could have some strategic value...
oh and some other lands: Bulgary, Hungary , Slovakia , Romania , oh heck here is a link to a ww2 info site there are also good info on Tanks of 8 different nations, what are u doing here? GET THERE!
http://www.onwar.com/maps/wwii/index.htm :enlighten

 

[Scipio Africanu]

Regardless of the fragmentation of China before the beginning of conflicts by the time the War in Europe had begun China was united in defense against the japanese. Remember the Japanese invaded China many years before the Invasion of the West Front by Germany, so unless you were gonna begin the game in 1938 China should be one nation.

 

[Blackadder]

Alturiak,

1. Luxemburg did exist in world war two.
2. Ireland would probably be classified as a neutral, since it was independant at that time but Britain did pressure it into helping, and Winston Churchill seemed rather cross with the Irish leader.
3.Hungary would be included in the minor Axis, as would Finland,Slovakia,Romania (joined only after the monarchy abdicating defiantly and after losing a lot of territory to Soviets,Hungery and Bulgaria),Bulgaria and the two imposed puppet states, Greater Croatia and Serbia (rest of Yugoslavia petitioned off)

mfauzi

Chiang Kai-sheik was kidnapped by one of his generals who forced an alliance to save China from Chiang's stubburness. The general was later expelled from the position.

I think you will have to include Denmark and Norway (could be put as one country) as they were still around.
Greece will have to be independant.

 

[topguy]

ok what about:

1.Germany
2.Soviet Union
3.France
4.Britain
5.Italy
6.United States
7.Spain
8.Turkey
9.Greece
10.Yugoslavia
11.Switzerland
12.Poland
13.Netherlands and Belgium and Luxembourg as one country
14. Denmark and Norway as one country
15. Finland, Hungary,Slovakia,Romania as one country minor axis
16.Ireland or bulgaria

here is my list, if you have any comments post here

 

[Blackadder]

Neutral countries like Ireland and Switzerland could be fused together.Even Portugal and Spain could be fused with them!
With power restrictions of course, we wouldn't want them ruling Europe instead!

 

[Mig1]

I would make Germany-Austria-Denmark all one civ.

 

[Anielewicz]

Originally posted by mfauzi


I guess China still had a civil war at that time. It was only after a turn of events (something about Chiang Kai-sheik getting kidnapped and convinced into allying with the communist against Japan) that both factions defended against Japan. However, I haven't really read up much on that. I thought the communist only started attacking the nationalists after the war or something. But China was divided, that's for sure.

Yeah, siam really didn't want to be the "bad guy" but all they want is peace, so they chose not to get in the way.

Sorry but it was the Nationalists who were backstabbers(damn Chaing Kai-Shek).

 

[mfauzi]

Originally posted by Anielewicz


Sorry but it was the Nationalists who were backstabbers(damn Chaing Kai-Shek).

Hmm.. I don't really know much about modern China's history.. will stay neutral in this issue... it's only been a decade since my country normalized the relationship with China

 

[Dark Sheer]

Originally posted by Anielewicz


Sorry but it was the Nationalists who were backstabbers(damn Chaing Kai-Shek).

The original concept by Sun-Yit-San after the revolution is all chinese should work together regardless or their idealogy. It was documented in one of his letter...."a government should represent the idea of the people.......once a government stop representing the idea of the people, its no longer a government .....". In fact, people like Mao are part of the Koa Ming Dang (Nationalist Party) when Dr Sun is still alive (As evidenced by a photo taken during one of the early party gathering). And that is also the reason why Dr Sun's wife continue to work with the communist rather than the backstabbing Chiang after Dr Sun's dead. Of course at that time Chiang is much influenced by the capitalist of US

So for the shake of the WWII scenario, I did prefer to have 2 chinese Civ (communist and nationalist) with their cities mixed together, MPP and right of passage. And of course the communist will have right of passage with Russia while Nationalist will have right of passage with US. Can't let the chinese have any MPP with other nation to simulate that no one come to help china when Japanese invaded.

Also, it would be good to have a few town in china to be controlled by the european power such as France, English (this is to represent the International rental arrangement back then). Of course they don't rent the whole city but I guess thats the only way to simulate a present of small foreign army in china.

 

[mfauzi]

Hmm.. oh.. so I see now why so many people support the communist government at that time. I wonder what would have happened if mao was influenced by democracy though.. But maybe he was influenced by communism due to the "people having equal status" issue

But I guess China will be a pretty split up nation especially since the Japanese took whole portions of it in 1938-1945, but still had gaps in the Empire, leaving some Chinese cities still not in Japanese control

Anyway, the news now is that the first patch will be released on Friday or the weekend, and I'm hoping it had scenario capabilities or at least, will be the leading to it eventually (well, they can't totally leave the scenarios out, can they?)