Aonia Capital Multi-Poll

[GaryNemo]

Jayne has done an outstanding job as our new Queen. We are fortunate to have such a fine lineage of Presidents. But she has questions, as do we all. What shall I recommend?

The Little Nemo Settler can get a lot of work done before it founds a City. I would rather only build roads that our Serfs can work. That means one for Regia Civitas, then head West and build one for Little Nemo, then quickly (eventually) found the F2 Filler.

Sampler of status from Turn 900 BC :

Little Nemo, No content + 1 guard, Settlers 34/40, would grow in 5, but Settlers in 2. Maybe needs another Warrior guard, prefer never a Temple.

TFalls, 1 content + 1 guard, grows in 8, Settlers 13/40 in 9, could IRPB $8 Phx=20

Civvium, guard approaching, 0 Content, grows in 8, Settlers 6/40 in about 11 turns. Then consider a Temple or another guard. With two Whales etc, this city could become a giant!

We also need a Science poll. Mysticism is becoming important, Trade is long overdue, then there are Philosophy and Map Making... I only had 20 poll boxes, and ran out.

Please study this poll carefully, then post and vote as many choices as you wish (except the two exclusive polls regarding Regia Civitas)

 

[Serutan]

Gary, If by Northern Lands you mean Dellham, etc. I'll give it
a crack.

 

[MonkE]

My votes: Hire Elvis again. We get 1 more beaker celebrating than with 4 workers.

RC then start a library. With the temple, RC can celebrate up to size 5. Growth to 5 nearly coincides with library finish (depending). Then warrior built in 2 turns allows celebrating to size 6. Maybe can IPRB something.

I'll give up on moving the capital unless someone can explain why that's worth doing.

LN settler in 2, then settler (then settler, then ...)
LN settler complete road to RC. Citizens #4 and #5 will use them. Then backtrack to start road to Elysium. Not sure about F2.

TF and Civv spend $8. We can certainly afford it.

Elysium Colossus needs 89 shields. 15 turns at 6/turn (work GS), or 13 turns at 7/turn (work forest). Working the forest sacrifices 13 food, delaying growth by 7 turns.

Assuming the AI is behind, getting Colossus (+4 trade working gems or ocean, +3 otherwise) 2 turns sooner nets 2 or 4 beakers and 4 gold. Doesn't seem like much payoff for delaying growth 7 turns.
If the AI threatens to catch up, that's another story. But we can get 15 shields by disbanding the RC chariot or rush build.
I've just convinced myself to vote for food over production.

Lastly, I would consider governing but if Serutan reeeeally wants it ...

 

[duke o' york]

Wow!
3 people have volunteered to govern the northern province! I'm pretty sure that I didn't choose that option so I wonder who the third "mystery" candidate could be?
Given Duke's comments in the turn thread then I am getting a bit nervous about getting the Colossus before the stinky Indians. I also find myself unable to put the final s in Colossus first time round and keep haivng to go back, but that's by the by. I for one don't care about accelerating growth in Elysium when we have the chance to get more shields. Duke's plan to collect any surplus troops together to add to the project is a good one, but I'd rather not have to do it. If we get the message then by all means we will have to, but not unless it becomes urgent. Switching from 30/70/0 to 70/30/0 will give us far more of a chance to actually buy the thing and I say we do that straightaway to amass a decent amount of cash. I will be a little [beep]ed off if we can't get the Colossus, but Gary's dream of having it in RC must surely now be dead. I now wish that I'd voted to get more units from RC so they can be disbanded into the project at Elysium. In fact, that's what I vote! Once again changing my vote.....

 

[GaryNemo]

Third candidate, please post yourself! I may then poll, depending on posted comments.

Interrim Governor: Serutan. Please post a poll. MonkE, if he hasn't posted a Poll for the Northern lands, please you do it. If neither of you gets to it in 8 hours, I will, one last time.

To seize the Governors position, post in this thread that you are interrim Governor. Then proceed to plan, include River Mouth, then post a poll. This way, we won't have two Interrim Governor's polls!

I voted for Elvis, and Warrior build in both Little Nemo and RC, to generate Colossus fodder to please the Duke's. I think we'll need those Warrior guards in any event. But I would have rather had the Library. Next time is only two turns later, anyway...

Who is sure raising taxes may work, may be necessary? Any calculations?

 

[Jayne]

I've just posted a calculation in theTax Poll Thread

 

[Serutan]

Originally posted by GaryNemo


Interrim Governor: Serutan. Please post a poll. MonkE, if he hasn't posted a Poll for the Northern lands, please you do it. If neither of you gets to it in 8 hours, I will, one last time.

To seize the Governors position, post in this thread that you are interrim Governor.

This is an official siezure of the interim Gov's. position.
Unfortunately, I won't be able to post a poll until
tomorrow (Fri.) around noon MST (GMT - 7) due to not having
a copy of the game where I surf, and previous commitments
tonight. If this isn't soon enough,
Gary, then you or Monk E should post the poll.

EDIT: I will be able to properly do the polling, etc. starting with
Saturday's turns...

 

[GaryNemo]

MonkE, can you post a poll before tomorrow? I hope so! If so, YOU are the interrim governor.

Serutan, thanks for letting us know your status. I wish I knew who the third voluteer is !? By tonight, I will post a poll so the people may choose between you two (3?), to take office after Jayne's turn Saturday evening. These are exciting times, fretting over our great Colossus project, but we must keep a firm eye on Domestic Development.

For now, that is the Boreum Province, all Northern lands including the River. Thanx, guys!

 

[MonkE]

OK, I'll take a shot at posting a poll. (I'm presuming that "Northern Lands" doesn't include Mordhemia or MD).

 

[mordhiem]

Settlers, settlers, settlers. Screw improvements/wonders, build settlers. Population is power!

 

[GaryNemo]

So far, people have voted decisively for Elvis, then a Library, and to keep our Capital in Regia Civitas. Little Nemo Settler to move E and Road, then N Road to connect cities. That is more road than we need. We will build a Library if we can continue celebrating. Without Mysticism, I guess we'll need another Warrior guard before beginning the Library. Ideas?

More importantly, we have many votes to spend $8 in TFalls to hurry a Settler. I think people would change their votes, now that we have addressed the Colossus Crisis. So, we'll spend only $4 or nothing, unless you'd like to post and convince us this spending is crucial... Similarly, we'll curtail spending in Civvium until the Colossus is achieved.

I am aware of two candidates for Governor of the Northern Province. Anyone else? Serutan, MonkE do you want two Provinces, so you both have a position? Ok, duke?

 

[duke o' york]

I'm not entirely sure that four cities really requires two provinces. Sure, we'll have the river mouth (Castle Jayne) site settled soon (which I didn't include in my Colossus calculations ) but even so. We can have a single poll for the city options as GaryNemo has been doing with a single province and then consider making two provinces when we have more cities for each one but to do it now would just lead to more bureaucracy and we'll be on the way to something like the complicated Civ 3 Demo game.

 

[ainwood]

Originally posted by duke o' york
We can have a single poll for the city options as GaryNemo has been doing with a single province and then consider making two provinces when we have more cities for each one but to do it now would just lead to more bureaucracy and we'll be on the way to something like the complicated Civ 3 Demo game.

My apolgies for going off-topic here, but has anyone actually browsed through the Civ 3 demogame forum?

Spam diddly spam-spam:

See here for a good example. (OK - its the RPG section of it, but still!)


One thing I will say is that I am 100% put-off the civ 3 demogame because of all the accompanying rubbish in the forum. Keep it simple - I'm really enjoying this game, and its very easy to follow and navigate!

 

[GaryNemo]

But duke, THEY BOTH WANT TO HELP! I can not turn that down lightly.

I have received private communication that MonkE and Serutan have reached an agreement:

Serutan and I agree that dual governorships will work out well in the long term.

He will take the Eastern province (MD, Mordhiemia).
I'll take the Northern province (Dellham, River Mouth, Iron city).

Serutan: Boreum (MarlDowns G2 Mordhiemia M1 M3).
MonkE: Chryshe (Dellham, Reneaux, River Mouth, Iron and NW).
Reneaux w Dellham for now, perhaps transfer to MD later when more cities...

Thru Saturday, MonkE, please continue as sole Governor.

Two governors in agreement, one with an avatar hypnotically like my own, surely that will work. Further, I've noticed something about the polls. The more options in a Multi-Poll, the fewer votes. So be it, but this is a gentle way to focus the analysis, voting, and decision making.

Unless there is a huge outcry, they will each become governors as described above after Queen Jayne's next move, late Saturday. We'll try it. For the next couple weeks, we can continue to discuss how to organize for regular election over in Defining Provinces

Now, let's get back to completing Our Colossus, then building Roads and more Cities.

 

[GaryNemo]

I'm pleased with the max tax rate, max city ocean trade plan. With the Duke's concern that this will all be decided in 6 turns, it's a bit difficult to plan anything else. Yet I wonder.

Wouldn't it still be prudent for Little Nemo to complete its Settler in 2 turns, rather than 3? Then it can build the East Road for RC. There will be no benefit in 6 turns, so maybe waiting 3 turns would be ok. I wonder.

 

[MonkE]

By NOT reassigning workers in LN, the settler finishes in 2 turns. This is only a 2 gold reduction of income. With the addition of "Castle Jayne" income and the loss of LN income from population reduction, there will still be 18 gold more than needed for a no-disband Colossus RB in 4 turns.

It's worth it to get the settler sooner for 2g, because then EVERYTHING that settler does is 1 turn sooner.

Edit: there will be even more surplus gold than stated because growth increases income in Mordhiemia(+1, 4th turn) and MD(+2, 2nd turn).

 

[duke o' york]

OK then, but I'm not going to budge any further with the concessions on my maximoney plan here. I'll let you have your settler a turn earlier so that he can build roads but nothing else until the Colossus is done!

 

[MonkE]

Welllll Duke, the same reasoning applies to Dellham. Only 1g less income/turn balanced by the income increases in MD & Mord. No effect on the Colossus timing.

Remember that this settler build is most likely for founding Iron City.

This doesn't apply to Reneaux where the income difference is much greater. I also wouldn't recommended this for MD & Mord, just for LN and Dellham. Should there be a poll?

 

[GaryNemo]

Nope, we're running out of time. You may poll, of course, even globally on this issue. But it would be better to poll only if a few people ask - this issue is becoming increasing complex and we must concentrate on clear guidance for Our Queen. I think we should settle for the LN Settler in 2 turns, costing only 2g.

Dellham, 0 Content w 2 guards, Settlers 12/40 in 7 before grows in 9, but founding RM Castle Jayne in 2 turns will change that.

Let's go to max trade, assuming it generates extra gold for the treasury, otherwise max production.

 

[MonkE]

Since Iron City could be founded sooner and it wouldn't affect the Colossus at all, I believe delaying the settler production in Dellham works more against us than for us. But in the end, it's not my decision.