Apparently, Wilhelmina's agenda scales....

[Archon_Wing]

Although usually a very annoying agenda to meet, I think more trade routes actually scales the diplo bonus she gives you, as she gave me +42!

I did send a lot of trade routes though...

 

[Boccages]

Very interesting post ! How many cities did she have?

 

[Disgustipated]

Wow, I never noticed. Seems like a bug to me. Its not like Shaka gives you higher diplo bonus with each corps/army you have over him. But she does get a culture bonus for each trade route, so it kind of makes sense in a way. I am assuming you are running no mods?

I do tend to stack trade routes to a scientific ally, but usually in my games Wilhelmina is no where near me.

If you don't mind, I'll put a link in the civ of the week thread, just so the info is all in one place.

 

[Vandlys]

Very interesting post ! How many cities did she have?

Eight, as seen on the minimap ; )

 

[Disgustipated]

I can't replicate this. I only get +2. I tried this with and without being her ally. Also tried sending to different cities. Maybe you have to reach a certain number of trade routes? That doesn't seem like it would be the case. Has to be a bug.

edit: I brought it into the next era to see if it would stack, but still only +2. Even with 5 trade routes.

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[Archon_Wing]

Well, not sure. I do know the agendas to have higher values over time. In this game....

Turn 179, no trade routes to her, she gave me -12
Turn 194, 1 trade route to her, +3
Turn 210, 2 trade routes to her, +6
Turn 216, 3 trade routes to her, +9
Turn 244 (game end) 14 trade routes to her, +42

Unfortunately I have no saves in between, so it seems to be +3 per route late game.

 

[Disgustipated]

Okay now things are starting to happen. I switched the alliance over to an economic alliance, though I'm not sure if that did anything. I'm now getting a +2 modifier, and further down the list I'm getting a +15 modifier. I press next turn and check it and the +15 goes down to +12. Really strange-- edit NVM, I had a trade route that just finished. So it does seem to be +3 per trade route. Maybe you have to be in the modern era? I did an industrial start game, but I'm now in the modern era.

edit: definitely confirmed at +3 Per trade route. I'm at +21 now with 7 trade routes. I'm still not exactly sure when they start accumulating this way. I'll let my alliance lapse and see if that affects anything.

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[Disgustipated]

Kind of silly to have such a huge modifier, but there it is. I never noticed before I guess because I don't often check the modifier screen, and very rarely can I even send her a significant amount of trade routes. I swear the game trolls me by placing her the furthest away of all civs.

I'm sure this is low on the list of things for Firaxis to fix.

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[acluewithout]

In fairness, every trade route you're sending her gives her +1 culture. If you were sending me +7 culture per turn I'd give you a +21 diplomacy modifier too...

 

[Leyrann]

In fairness, every trade route you're sending her gives her +1 culture. If you were sending me +7 culture per turn I'd give you a +21 diplomacy modifier too...

I'd definitely be more mad about you capturing a city of me (-18) than I'd like you for giving me 7 culture per turn...

 

[Tech Osen]

If you like the alliance traderoute tactics then she is one of the best neighbours, very easy to keep happy.