Argentinian coach of 1990 admits drugging the brazilian national team

[luiz]

In 1990 Brazil had a great football team. It was widely believed over here that we would win the World Cup, easily.

It was a national tragedy when the Team lost to Argentina, 1x0, after a poor performance. Many players declared that they were filling dizzy.

Now, 14 years after the game, the argentinian coach Carlos Bilardo admitted that him and his helper mixed a drug known as "Good Night Cinderela" in the bottles of water used by the brazilians.

The brazilian coach of that time is asking Fifa to punish him harshly. Personally I think this is a criminal issue, this guy should be jailed.

It is also interesting to note a pattern in the "modus operandi" of the argentinians. Apparently they are uncapable of winning by playing clean. Moderator Action: wanred, trolling
Please read the forum rules: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=422889We all know of the "Hand of God" incident that gave them the title in another Cup, and now this. I wonder who else they drugged.

What is your opinion of this? What should be done to Bilardo?

 

[Scuffer]

Should be a criminal prosecution of the cheating slime. I guess drug tests don't look for that sort of thing.

 

[thetrooper]

Good Night Cinderella... Are you serious?

 

[luiz]

Good Night Cinderella... Are you serious?

Yep. "Boa Noite Cinderela". It is used in nightclubs, to put someone to sleep and then rob him.

 

[privatehudson]

Makes me wish we can't get the Germans to admit the same

 

[SeleucusNicator]

Given the importance that soccer holds in other parts of the world, this man should be given asylum by the United States, and henceforth used to ensure that only American-friendly nations win soccer games in the future.

 

[IglooDame]

I think India should be allowed to nuke Argentina, Moderator Action: warned trolling
Please read the forum rules: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=422889and Brazil ought to be able to play Pakistan's soccer team with a man advantage through the whole match.

 

[thetrooper]

Yep. "Boa Noite Cinderela". It is used in nightclubs, to put someone to sleep and then rob him.

I could use some for my insomnia

Not exactly fair play. I love watching Brazil, talento artístico...

 

[Joeb WK]

Argentina are cheats they cheat in nearly every world cup did anyone really expect any better. Moderator Action: warned trolling
Please read the forum rules: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=422889

 

[Timko]

We all know of the "Hand of God" incident that gave them the title in another Cup

Yes we do

 

[Desmond Hawkins]

It just sounds funny to me.

But then, when it looked like the Flames were getting screwed over every game in the playoffs when it came to refereeing, I was not above accepting every conspiracy theory around.

Now this isn't a theory, and this actually happened, so the analogy isn't perfect, but I can still feel your pain.

 

[MCdread]

It's a bit sad, but I can't avoid laughing about these argentinian smart guys.
I remember that match and it was very one sided, it was very surprising how Argentina won. And I also remember that one brazilian player said he asked for water to the argentinian bench and when he drank it he felt kinda weird and couldn't concentrate on the match (I think it was a defender, maybe Ricardo Rocha or Ricardo Gomes).
Anyway, I am a member of a football forum which has dozens of brazilians and I've seen nothing of this. I'm also a colector of several items related to WCs, particulary games in video, and because of it I also visit a forum dedicated only to past WCs, and no one there has mentioned it either. Can you provide at least a source about this so that I can read it in more detail?
I doubt it would have been more than one or two incidents like the one I described in the first paragraph.
If it's true, I agree that Bilardo should face criminal charges.

Finally, Brazil is the best football nation in the world, and so you are always very optimistic, even when a little more contention should be advisable, ie, Brazil would never win that particular WC anyway.

 

[The Last Conformist]

I'm sure both Brazil and Argentina has laws against putting drugs in people's drinking water?

Might the statute of limitations be 14 years, BTW?

 

[MCdread]

BTW, when it comes to Argentina cheating (or any team for that matter), nothing will ever surpass what happened in their own WC in 1978: it includes an argentinian goalie playing for Peru and making all possible kind of blunders so that Argentina got the 6 goals they needed to get to the final and the refusal to accept the Collina of that time, the israeli Klein, to referee the final and getting one that they wanted, Gonella. If you watch the video of the final you'll notice why: I remember of at least 3 or 4 times the argentinian players doing a GK save in some point of the pitch without disciplinary action, not to mention the several unpunished illegal tackles. The dutch team was very unlucky in their WC finals: first Germany in 74 and then this in 78...

 

[Fetus4188]

Scum.. Tie him to a goal post and use him for target practice.

 

[luiz]

Can you provide at least a source about this so that I can read it in more detail?
I doubt it would have been more than one or two incidents like the one I described in the first paragraph.
If it's true, I agree that Bilardo should face criminal charges.

Sure. Here's the link: http://oglobo.globo.com/online/esportes/163930107.asp

It requires (free) subscription, so here's a copy and paste:

"Deram um 'Boa noite, Cinderela' na seleção", diz Lazaroni

Allan Caldas, do Globo Online

RIO - Já se passaram mais de 14 anos, mas a indignação do ex-técnico da seleção brasileira Sebastião Lazaroni não diminuiu. Nesta quarta-feira, ao saber que o próprio Carlos Bilardo, que era o treinador da Argentina na Copa do Mundo de 1990, confirmou ter misturado tranqüilizante à agua oferecida aos jogadores do Brasil no jogo entre as duas equipes, pelas oitavas-de-final, Lazaroni demonstrou toda a sua revolta contra o episódio. Na opinião do treinador, Bilardo e o massagista argentino Miguel di Lorenzo, que deu a Branco a garrafa com a bebida, deveriam ser punidos pela Fifa, mesmo após tanto tempo.

- Não importa se já fazem 14 anos ou 14 dias, deveria haver uma punição exemplar por parte da Fifa, para o Bilardo e para o massagista. E a Federação de Futebol da Argentina deveria ser advertida. E a gente não sabe se eles fizeram isso nos outros jogos da Copa ou se foi só contra o Brasil - declarou Lazaroni.

O Brasil foi eliminado ao perder por 1 a 0 para a Argentina, que avançou na competição até a final, quando perdeu o título para a Alemanha. Na ocasião, Branco denunciou que se sentira tonto após beber um gole d'água de uma garrafa que estava à beira do gramado, junto ao banco de reservas argentino. Esta semana, Bilardo reconheceu pela primeira vez a autoria do plano, em entrevista à revista "Ventitres", do seu país.

- Não posso dizer que não aconteceu - disse o técnico.

Para Lazaroni, a armação extrapolou a tradicional milonga, a famosa catimba argentina, especialmente em jogos contra os brasileiros.

- Isso não é malandragem, é jogo sujo. Deram um 'Boa noite, Cinderela' na seleção brasileira - lamentou ele, referindo-se ao golpe usualmente praticado em boates, quando pessoas são dopadas e, em seguida, roubadas sem poder sequer reagir.

And I think we could have won

 

[luiz]

I'm sure both Brazil and Argentina has laws against putting drugs in people's drinking water?

Might the statute of limitations be 14 years, BTW?

In Brazil after a certain period (15 years, IIRC), if no charges are presented then the crime is archived and nobody can be tried. The period in Argentina is probably of 14 years, though I'm not sure this guy can be tried in Argentina since the incident happened in another country.

 

[jonatas]

this is quite shocking... talk about conspiracy theories!! i wonder what will result from this...

 

[Akka]

Considering how fanatics Brazilians are about football, I propose a simple criminal sentence : drop the guy in the middle of Rio de Janeiro and warn the entire city that he's here.
That's it. Should be sufficient

 

[MCdread]

Sure. Here's the link: http://oglobo.globo.com/online/esportes/163930107.asp

It requires (free) subscription, so here's a copy and paste:

And I think we could have won

Well, then it is just what I was talking about, and what has been suspected for long. They hardly drugged the brazilian NT, it was just Branco (which is equally wrong), and imo it didn't really change the result of the match.
Unfortunately I also feel that nothing will come out of this. "Não posso dizer que não aconteceu" is ambiguous enough, and if things get out of control Billardo will still come out after consulting a lawyer and say he was misinterpreted or that he didn't say that or whatever.

As for Brazil winning it, that was Brazil worst team in the 25 years, while Germany, Italy, England and Yougoslavia had their most solid pack for the same amount of time. Nah, Lazaroni's team was doomed. If they failed in 82 and 86 with a superlative team and facing a more suited opposition in terms of playing style, in 1990, in the peak of defensive and calculist football they would have most probably failed too.
In fact after that, Brazil abandoned the romantism of the so called "jogo bonito" and with Parreira's pragmatism won the next WC. Except Romário, the 94 team was truly a low point in Brazil's history, but in modern football it's the organization and rigor that wins titles, and rarely individual talent.