Asian and Eastern Knight variants

[Shady]

What graphics/names should be used for a variant to the European knight for an asian and eastern counterpart?

 

[Cimbri]

Well here’s a Later Sassanid Clibanarii:

 

[Cimbri]

Here is a Korean Knight:

 

[Cimbri]

A Georgian Knight from 1008AD-1683AD

 

[Cimbri]

...And finally a Russian 13th century knight.
Hope you find this useful Shady…

 

[Stormbringer]

That Georgian knight lookas a lot more like Russian

 

[Shady]

well it certainly helps Cimbri. Question is if the graphics are there.

Plus, i'm looking for good, general, broad names for knight variants that are used for more than 1 civ.

 

[Cimbri]

Well Clibanarii is a name for the Asiatic (Persian/Parthian) heavy horseman.

 

[Nahuixtelotzin]

Clibanarii is also the term for late Roman heavy cavalry, which of course was influenced by the Asiatic/Sarmatian cavalry.

 

[Shady]

hmmm. didnt know that

 

[Marcus Polonus]

Clibanarii in Latin, and Cataphractes in Greek language means all the same - "covered". Covered by armor of course. Both words are used to describe heavy cavalry with fully armored horses and men. In Roman army clibanarii appears in year 69 AD, when emperor Vespasian ask Sarmatian cavalry for service. Later, emperor Aurelianus in 275 AD and Constantine II in 360 AD increase quantity of heavy troops. On the picture is heavy cavalryman from the 275 AD. Reconstruction is based on armor found in Dura Europos, chronicles of Ammianus Marcellinus and emperor Julian Apostat, who wrote about fully armored horseman with iron mask on his face (remember "Gladiator" movie and Tiger ), wearing precisely made ring armor or scaled armor with iron rings protecting hands and legs.

 

[Marcus Polonus]

Here is an orignal Sarmatian horseman (upper) and Roman clibanrius about IVth century AD (lower)

 

[Marcus Polonus]

Left: Celtic nobleman from recent south France, Ist century BC, armed with long Celtic sword and spear 8ft long, with long, flat blade. Cavalry commanded by chieftains like this fought with Romans, but also on the Romans side. Is well-known that Caesar had Celtic cavalry contingents during the civil war with Pompeius.
Right: Cavalryman from auxiliary troops, about Ist century AD, wearing ring armor, but scaled armor was also in use. Armed with long sword "spatha", derived from Celtic weapon, and light spear "lancae", which he can throw or stab with it. Ancient historians Arrianus and Joseph Flavius wrote also about packs of light throwing javelins attached to saddle.

 

[Kryten]

Forgive me for repeating something from another thread:-

A quote from "The Armies and Enemies of Imperial Rome" by Phil Barker about the Sassanid Persians:-
"The most important part of their army were the noble cavalry, called Clibanarii. This means 'Baking oven men' in latin, which in that climate might well be appropriate, but originally derives from 'Grive-Pan', which is old Persian for 'Warrior'. Some men were more or less equivalent to the Palmyran, Roman and Parthian cataphract cavalry. Others were rather lighter armoured and had the bow as their primary weapon, although still possessing the Kontos (i.e. lance). Horse armour was normal. An all-round protection of leather or thick felt was at first favoured, but this was later apparently superseded by partial metal armour in front only."

The late Romans also had several units called by this name, as can be seen from the Notitia Dignitatum, which is a list of all the Roman field units dated about 400 AD:-
Equites Sagittarii Clibanarii
Comites Clibanarii
Equites Persae Clibanarii
Equites Secundi Clibanarii Parthi
Equites Promoti Clibanarii
Equites Quarti Clibanarii Parthi
Cuneus Equitum Clibanariorum Palmirenorum
(These are apparently armed and armoured somewhat differently from other horse archer units such as the Equites Sagittarii Seniores, Equites Parthi Sagittarii Seniores, Equites Primo Sagittarii, and so on.
Probably because the Clibanarii were heavy cavalry with lance and bow, while other Sagittarii units were light cavalry horse archers)

Having said all that, I think that Shady is really looking for something more Middle Ages for the eastern civs....i.e. an eastern alternative to the west European Knight.

Well, a quick look at Lab Monkey's excellent Units Library shows these possibilities:-
Arab Horseman by Lab Monkey on page 2 (medieval Saracen for the Persians/Babylonians?)
Mameluke, a AoE conversion by JimmyH (UU for the medieval Egyptians?)
Mounted or Eastern Horse Archer, by....er....some smeg-head (medieval Seljuk Turks for the Persians?)

 

[Shady]

Originally posted by Kryten

Having said all that, I think that Shady is really looking for something more Middle Ages for the eastern civs....i.e. an eastern alternative to the west European Knight.

Yep. True dat.

I think the Arab Horseman would be good but I don't think highly of the name because if you're playing i.e. persians and you use that name then it would appear as Persian Arab Horseman and that would look kinda dumb.

So what I'm looking for particular in that case with those graphics is a good broad, general name that would apply to the eastern civs. And also on what civs exactly should receive it as flavor unit.

 

[Kryten]

Very well, if you want a nice 'general purpose' name that would apply to all the eastern civs, how about....
....Eastern Horseman. (Or maybe Moslem Horseman)

(Remember, you can very easily take Lab Monkey's unit and change it's name)

 

[Shady]

But I don't think a unit in desert attire is too appropriate for the far eastasian civs. If we rename the Arab Horseman to Eastern Horseman then we must name the far eastern knight variants far eastern horseman or something which I think would be the first 3 word unit in civ 3.

Well since far eastern asia is half a world away for most of us, I don't think people would care if it would be named western horseman.

Well...still need a far eastern horseman name that sounds less far eastern horsemanish.

 

[thestonesfan]

I just use a whole bunch a units.

Here's my complete "Knight situation" -

Armored Horseman - Available to Western Civs, this uses Kinboat's awesome Norman Knight artwork. Available with Feudalism, with stats of 4-2-3.

Ansar Warrior - The PTW unit. Available to middle eastern civs, i.e. Arabs, Babylonians, Persians, Egyptians, and Turks. Available with Monotheism, with stats of 4-2-3. After stewing about the name for a while, I just decided to leave it. Other possibilities: Saracen Horseman, Middle Eastern Horseman, Desert Raider, Moslem Horseman.

War Elephant - For only India. Sadly, this is the only uniquely Indian unit around, aside from the Arjun MBT. Monotheism. 4-3-2.

Rider - Original. For China, Korea, Mongolia, and any other Far Eastern Civ aside from Japan. Feudalism, 4-2-4.

Mounted Samurai - For Japan. Uses the Samurai Horseman from the PTW extras. Chivalry, 4-3-3.

Mounted Archer - Mongolia, China. Uses the Keshik graphic. 5-2-1(All terrain roads), Chivalry.

Knight - Westerners. Chivalry, 4-3-3.

Notes - In my games, most units have speed +1.

 

[Cimbri]

Originally posted by thestonesfan
War Elephant - For only India. Sadly, this is the only uniquely Indian unit around, aside from...

True… Indians should have Longbowmen when others have regular archers.

Cimbri

 

[Marcus Polonus]

Indian Longbowman?? Oh...well...sure I've got one! Bow is made with bamboo, about 6 feets long, firing with arrows more then 1 yard long. Alexander the Great was wounded with arrow like that. Sword is VERY long - 112 centimeters and can be used with one or both hands.