Austrian UU's

[Louis XXIV]

lol

BTW, who's being used as the leader of the Austrians?

Although Civ3 used Charles V, I'm thinking that Klemens Von Matternick might be a better choice.

 

[Bungus]

It seems to me if the name Hussar is originaly hungarian, the hunarians were the first to use those styles of fighting, that the name Hussar could describe a Hungarian UU just fine. That's like saying a crosant isn't French.

Mercenary is to negative. Why not "Magyar Hussar fighting for a well earn retribution?"

heheheh

 

[W.i.n.t.e.r]

It seems to me if the name Hussar is originaly hungarian, the hunarians were the first to use those styles of fighting, that the name Hussar could describe a Hungarian UU just fine. That's like saying a crosant isn't French.



heheheh

U mean like that Belgian food called French Fries ???

 

[W.i.n.t.e.r]

Kingdom of Italy was surely not a military power and sort of a joke to a nation. We're not talking of Kingdom of Italy here... also because it was born way after the introduction of Hussars, and even if, it had its regiment of hussars, "Ussari di Piacenza". I don't know about the other nations you mentioned and I won't go around investigating, but I'm sure you will find cavalry regiments named after Hussars anywhere in Europe, sooner or later in time. It's obvious that they were first called Hussars in Hungary, but they weren't unique to Hungary and like I said their name was adopted (in time... ) by all great powers of Europe. And AFAIK Dragoons are not considered light cavalry. Hussars were light cavalrymen armed with light firearm. Is this an invention ? It could be if at least those light firearms were invented by Hungary and unique in that nation. Or if Hussars was a name used only by Hungarians. But this is not the case. What I think and I'm trying to say is that considering Hussars a UU and even worse an invention would be the same as considering swordsmen a UU for the first Civ who ever adopted swords in their army for first. It's the same with Swiss Guards as UU for Netherlands. They were not the only ones to hire them.

Yes, you don't seem to know very much. And by not researching it won't improve btw. Denmark indeed had two Squadrons, and no- I am the last person to go about and make up things...

The Hussar regiments in foreign armies were Hungarians- it wasn't just a name!- We are not going to give the Hoplite unit to the Egyptians as an UU, despite the fact every Mediterranean civilization and even the Greek kings on the Egyptian Pharaonic throne would (in time ) be using hoplites and their tactics and equipment, are we?

Invention:

"An invention is a novel device or technique."

We are not talking about a technology being exclusively Hungarian, but about a unit whose manner and fighting technique, dress code, military equipment was precisely Hungarian and which was exported. A swordsman is just someone with a sword; this doesn't give any information on what is done with the sword, material and type of sword or the way it would be used in combat, or about the accessories that would go along with the sword, such as armor, etc- so your example is complete nonsense when comparing it to a defined military formation as the Huzzary. And since you mentioned the "Swiss Guard"... it precisely says "Swiss" (and not Dutch or anything else)- regardless of who they are given (IMHO a poor choice by Firaxis, as they certainly were widely available. But they were Swiss so it says Swiss... So why can't you accept that the UU Hussar for Austria'd be called (Magyar or-) Hungarian Hussar?

Besides: Several solutions to the problem were already given- why do you continue to challenge the facts? For my part, this was an interesting, if a bit overflow discussion, glad you went to lengths to make your point- I'm off to see if I can torture other thread posters with my presence... anyone want a French Croissant while I'm in the German kitchen of my Spanish home ?

 

[Steph]

n't you accept that the UU Hussar for Austria'd be called (Magyar or-) Hungarian Hussar?

Because hussars were Hungarian only at the beginning. Then hussars units were made of recruits from the country, using the original dressing code and tactics.
It would be like saying French fries are made exclusively from potatoes grown in France

 

[Bungus]

So what if it spread to other parts of the globe? It started in Hungary, at one point in time they were the only ones that had them, at another point in time all hussars in other copuntries were hungarian. If some Brit stole a Panzer and ran over some krauts, does that mean it can no longer be a German UU? Galiic Swordsmen were used as mercenaries by Rome and Carthage, Carracks were used by multiple european countries, the Mongolians tactics were copied by many armies, so was the phalanx used by the Hoplites, etc. etc. Just cause some unoriginal general couldnt think of a name for his own country's light cavalry, the Hussar shouldn't be a UU? Hungarian Hussars had their day in the sun, the were probably the best on the battlefield, even if it was only for a short while. The fact that so many other countries emulated them only furthers the point.

 

[W.i.n.t.e.r]

were made of recruits from the country

But never in the case of Austria! Austria always had Hungarian regiments for Hussars- why copy it if you already have the original?