Bartleby's HoF Thread

[Bartleby]

I guess for higher levels as well, if you can raze a couple of their towns they'll give you other ones for peace. That even happened on a small scale in one of my games I mentioned above.

 

[Spoonwood]

I guess for higher levels as well, if you can raze a couple of their towns they'll give you other ones for peace. That even happened on a small scale in one of my games I mentioned above.

I don't know, but wouldn't capturing towns have the same value for extortion as razing?

 

[Bartleby]

You're probably right, I was thinking about autorazing but a higher levels the town would be more likely to have grown/have culture.

 

[Bartleby]

I'm going to start a new campaign this weekend.
Since I'm playing to try to improve my QM statistics, and the worst-ranked game that contributes towards that is 20k, that's what I'll be working on. My current best-ranked 20k is #6 on Huge Monarch, so I'll be hoping to achieve a top 5 finish.
The Table that I'm going to try is Huge Emperor, where I'd "only" need to beat 1750 AD to get #5. My Huge Monarch game was 1565 AD, so I think there is a chance I can do it. I do already have #8 on that Table, it was a sort of joke entry using the Vikings, finishing in 1820 AD.

For my Initial attempts I'm going to try as the Ottomans, using my default world conditions of Pangaea, 60% H2O, Normal, Temperate, 5 Bn YO, and no barbarians, and minimum aggression.
I'm picking eight no-Alphabet, no-Ceremonial Burial opponents and I will absolutely ditch any start without a CB SGL*...unless I find a coastal start with only a couple of water tiles in which case I'll give it until the slingshot or missing Philosophy.



*Although, on the subject of SGLs, I saw that Sanabas didn't get one until 1070 AD in his 2nd place game.

 

[Spoonwood]

Since I'm playing to try to improve my QM statistics, and the worst-ranked game that contributes towards that is 20k, that's what I'll be working on.

For your overall quartermaster statistics yes.

However, with respect to the octathalon, you're in veteran, not elite class, since you have 7 instead of 8 levels. A level 8 game would put you into elite class for the octathalon, bumping you up at least 3 positions assuming no other relevant changes. But, level 8 intimidates a lot of people and submitting a level 8 game wouldn't do much to improve your average rank. Unless it were a 20k game also. Huge Sid 20k has only 3 entries, and Standard Sid 20k only has 6, though I did say this elsewhere now also.

Alright... not having an entry is not having a worst-ranked game also.

But either way you have MapFinder working. May MapFinder fortune favor you Bartleby! I think a fair amount of the 20k entires, especially (also the Huge Sid Histographic entries) I submitted I wouldn't have found without it. Then again, I did look by hand last summer for some +10 food + 10 shield sub size 7 starts in republic last year.

 

[Bartleby]

Thanks Spoonwood. I am thinking about a Sid game. I've still never finished one!

 

[BlackBetsy]

Does MapFinder still work on Windows 11?

 

[Spoonwood]

Does MapFinder still work on Windows 11?

I can still load it in Windows 11. The program appears intact when I've downloaded it. So, I think it probably still could run on some Windows 11 machine due to universal simulation theorems about computing.

However, my experience was that it ran on a Windows 8 machine for a while. Then it changed so that it would appear to save, but I couldn't load any of the saves. They had some sort of issue though, and the screenshot for them had something strange.

When I've tried with Windows 11, the iteration number [see the screenshot in the first post] did increase. So, something of it did appear to function with my machine. But, I couldn't get anything to save, and I think I did on my 2nd attempt look around to find where the GoG directory was, but perhaps I got that wrong.

 

[BlackBetsy]

So it's manual map finding for me, I guess. I did run it back in the day, it was pretty good. I've gotten pretty good at CTRL-SHIFT-Q, but I would have to wait a long time to get something like a river start with 2 cows and Ivory visible for a true killer 20k game, whereas it would be reasonable for MapFinder to get you a bunch of those.

 

[Spoonwood]

So it's manual map finding for me, I guess. I did run it back in the day, it was pretty good. I've gotten pretty good at CTRL-SHIFT-Q, but I would have to wait a long time to get something like a river start with 2 cows and Ivory visible for a true killer 20k game, whereas it would be reasonable for MapFinder to get you a bunch of those.

One thought: if you play 80%, ivory should be closer nearby. If you can keep the research up, that could work out better. Maybe 70% works out better also, I don't know (remember that Standard Regent Spaceship thread? Mathias said "had everything I needed"... I took him as talking about luxuries mainly).

Also, ivory can be difficult to get in grasslands. I wouldn't worry about having it in the first 25 tiles or so. More like, for high position, you just need to get it in time to build the Statue of Zeus, I think.

 

[Bartleby]

So it's manual map finding for me

If you tell me what setup you want, I don't mind running mapfinder for a couple of nights and emailing you the results? You'd need to give a stranger on the internet your email address, though.

 

[Spoonwood]

If you tell me what setup you want, I don't running mapfinder for a couple of nights and emailing you the results? You'd need to give a stranger on the internet your email address, though.

You have to be careful not to play a save if you send BlackBetsy that save (at least if you want your game accepted). I mean, the HoF only accepts one submission for each map.

Also:

You may not use other player's seeds.

CivFanatics Civilization III Hall of Fame

Though does it refer to the seed number specifically, or does sending the save file for the map count?

No one else can use your seed for a HOF game.

Map Seed For Great Sid Map

I rolled a perfect Sid map, but the "Play Last World" option wasn't working. I couldn't get the seed for it, all i have is the turn 1 save. Can someone with Civ Assist tell me what the seed is? Figured I might ask here because it would be exceptionally good for a Hall Of Fame game. You start...

forums.civfanatics.com

Though maybe superslug said that, because Suede said things like "start on a massive island" and more spoilers.

 

[Bartleby]

Yeah, I'd run it past superslug first to get the OK (or not), but I don't see the difference between me generating starts on my old laptop and playing them on another computer, and me generating the starts and somebody else playing them on their computer.

 

[BlackBetsy]

Yeah, I'd run it past superslug first to get the OK (or not), but I don't see the difference between me generating starts on my old laptop and playing them on another computer, and me generating the starts and somebody else playing them on their computer.

You don't need my email - you can just post saves here! Or send me via the in-forum DM feature, I think.

But before you do it, let's ask publicly.

@superslug if Bartleby posted some unplayed 4000BC saves generated by MapFinder here that I could download because I can't run MapFinder, and I played them out for HOF submissions, would that violate HOF rules?

I think all I'd want is starting positions on rivers with a grassland cow and ivory showing.

 

[Bartleby]

I hadn't checked if DMs allowed attachments, but if they do, that'd be better than publicly posting the saves.

 

[BlackBetsy]

I hadn't checked if DMs allowed attachments, but if they do, that'd be better than publicly posting the saves.

they do allow attachments.

 

[superslug]

This is why we have a Borderline category in the rules.

So long as the generating individual makes no moves whatsoever in the game, there shouldn't be a problem. Any spoilers changes that very quickly.

Please do your file transfers privately. If someone grabs them off the forum, the mapseed winds up going to whoever submits first. That's a headache for everyone.

 

[Spoonwood]

Please do your file transfers publically. If someone grabs them off the forum, the mapseed winds up going to whoever submits first. That's a headache for everyone.

I felt clear here until I read this. If it's done publicly, by which I mean on the forums, then someone who is a third party (not the person who generated the map, nor the person whom the map got intended to get given to in order to submit an entry), could grab that entry and submit an entry before the 2nd party (the 1st party is the person who generates the map). Perhaps you mean something different by publicly.

Or did you mean that they should get transferred publicly on the forums so that everyone knows that the intended 2nd party for the save is someone designated by the 1st party, and thus everyone knows that if some 3rd party takes that save they're acting outside of the 1st and 2nd party's intent? And you're more worried about a private message getting stolen by some third party? I can understand such reasoning... now that I realized it. And can see how that would be an administrative headache also due to security concerns.

 

[BlackBetsy]

Or did you mean that they should get transferred publicly on the forums so that everyone knows that the intended 2nd party for the save is someone designated by the 1st party, and thus everyone knows that if some 3rd party takes that save they're acting outside of the 1st and 2nd party's intent? And you're more worried about a private message getting stolen by some third party? I can understand such reasoning... now that I realized it. And can see how that would be an administrative headache also due to security concerns.

It's down to just a couple of us anyway around here.

 

[BlackBetsy]

Anyhow, @Bartleby if you did run MapFinder and got me 20 4000 BC saves with Ivory and a river cow and posted them here, I would be forever in your debt. Well. maybe not forever, but at least 20 turns.