Bartleby's HoF Thread

[BlackBetsy]

What turn are you in and what is your culture per turn?

 

[Bartleby]

I saved last night at 300 AD, I had just finished Sistine and rushed the Univeristy to complete next turn (that was immediately after learning Education). I have 63 cpt, 67 next turn.
I plan next to research Music Theory, then Banking-Printing Press-Democracy-Free Artistry. I need to work hard on getting research going because MT/PP are around 8 turns each, as things stand. I forget what it was telling me for Banking, but probably >10 turns.

 

[BlackBetsy]

I saved last night at 300 AD, I had just finished Sistine and rushed the Univeristy to complete next turn (that was immediately after learning Education). I have 63 cpt, 67 next turn.
I plan next to research Music Theory, then Banking-Printing Press-Democracy-Free Artistry. I need to work hard on getting research going because MT/PP are around 8 turns each, as things stand. I forget what it was telling me for Banking, but probably >10 turns.

Feels the same for me, although I am now in 760 AD and ran through that into the Modern Era. We are 46 turns apart, and I think I'm at 88 culture per turn. You should get some good doubling and if you get JS Bach (6), Shakespeare (8), Cope (4) , Newton's (6), and Adam Smith (3), you should be well over 100 by 1000 AD, on track for a 1500's finish for sure.

 

[Bartleby]

I'm a little bit mad at myself because last night I played 10 AD to 300 AD, and I was really just waiting for Sistine to finish, and not managing all of the cities properly. (OK at the start I thought I might build SoZ but still). Anyway starting from the 300 AD save I adjusted all of the towns, and got Music Theory from 8 turns to 6, and it also told me that Printing Press would take 6 turns, and that Banking and Astronomy had gone from 11 to 9 turns.
It was only when I finished MT, and Russia and Germany both showed up with Chivalry, and I decided to see how much cash they had to offer, that I realized that I had not tried lowering the luxury slider to zero when Ivory had become available in the capital. So I can afford to research PP in four turns at an easily sustainable loss and could presumably have done the same with MT.

At the moment, Otto has 90 gpt available, and Cathy has 26. But I think I'll wait four turns and see if I can sell them Printing Press instead of Music Theory, because I still fear the Sun Tzu cascade. I'm not super optimistic about being able to get Cope's & Newton's, especially once the Leonardo's Workshop cascade enters the picture as well (nobody has Invention yet). But if/when I have Shakes, I should be able to get over 40 spt before RR so some builds might be quick enough.

 

[Spoonwood]

So I can afford to research PP in four turns at an easily sustainable loss and could presumably have done the same with MT.

Does MT stand for Military Tradition? I'm surprised you're researching that if so. I don't see why cavalry would come as faster at spawning a Military Great Leader. I think I've only researched Military Tradition in a 20k game after I've learned Electronics, and it takes too long to get to the modern era.

 

[BlackBetsy]

I'm a little bit mad at myself because last night I played 10 AD to 300 AD, and I was really just waiting for Sistine to finish, and not managing all of the cities properly. (OK at the start I thought I might build SoZ but still). Anyway starting from the 300 AD save I adjusted all of the towns, and got Music Theory from 8 turns to 6, and it also told me that Printing Press would take 6 turns, and that Banking and Astronomy had gone from 11 to 9 turns.
It was only when I finished MT, and Russia and Germany both showed up with Chivalry, and I decided to see how much cash they had to offer, that I realized that I had not tried lowering the luxury slider to zero when Ivory had become available in the capital. So I can afford to research PP in four turns at an easily sustainable loss and could presumably have done the same with MT.

At the moment, Otto has 90 gpt available, and Cathy has 26. But I think I'll wait four turns and see if I can sell them Printing Press instead of Music Theory, because I still fear the Sun Tzu cascade. I'm not super optimistic about being able to get Cope's & Newton's, especially once the Leonardo's Workshop cascade enters the picture as well (nobody has Invention yet). But if/when I have Shakes, I should be able to get over 40 spt before RR so some builds might be quick enough.

That was the bummer about me losing JS Bach. I finished Cope before Shakes to crash the cascade from that. Sun Tzu's was already done so people switched to Leonardo's, but Leonardo's didn't finish before Music Theory came about, so when Leonardo's finished somewhere, Moscow switched over to Bach, and it completed 2 turns ahead of me even though I was pumping out 40 shields per turn by that point.

 

[Bartleby]

Does MT stand for Military Tradition? I'm surprised you're researching that if so. I don't see why cavalry would come as faster at spawning a Military Great Leader. I think I've only researched Military Tradition in a 20k game after I've learned Electronics, and it takes too long to get to the modern era.

Sorry no, Music Theory.

 

[Spoonwood]

That was the bummer about me losing JS Bach. I finished Cope before Shakes to crash the cascade from that. Sun Tzu's was already done so people switched to Leonardo's, but Leonardo's didn't finish before Music Theory came about, so when Leonardo's finished somewhere, Moscow switched over to Bach, and it completed 2 turns ahead of me even though I was pumping out 40 shields per turn by that point.

That's one drawback of having scientific opponents I think.

 

[Bartleby]

I played four turns to bring me to 400 AD.

This is surely going to cost me a turn on Bach's Cathedral:

The Tech situation continues to worry me. The last turns have been busy for the AI:

Cathy has 119 gpt available, but she won't give me all of it for Printing Press. I think that I will sell it for what I can get though, because I need that money for research (still looking at 6 turns for Banking). Also I'd like to get some Embassies so I can check on their build situations.
Xerxes will do a straight swap of Invention for Theology, I think I'll do that so I can see when they get Gunpowder.

 

[BlackBetsy]

Is she trying to give you Chivalry with the gpt? Sometimes I remove the tech and bump up the gpt and it works. Sumeria is a juicy target since they also just either researched Astronomy or bought it (although Cathy may have emptied Gil's pockets).

Once you sell Printing Press to one, you should definitely buy the Furs from China and the Dyes and Spices from Persia! I'd rather do a swap of Dyes and Spices for Theology and get Invention from someone else..... You'll have Printing Press to sell to Xerxes after you sell him Theology.

 

[Bartleby]

Good idea about the luxuries from Persia.
I was only seeing what was the max gpt Cathy could offer, I'm not sure what I'll be able to get for Printing Press from the others after selling it to Russia though. I'm most interested in getting gpt now so I can up the research rate. Germany only has 15 gpt to offer, nobody else has any.

Sumeria is interesting, five turns ago they were broke and didn't have Education, and now they're broke and joint front-runners. I guess most likely they did buy Astronomy.

Another thing in those MapStat pics; I finally met the Zulu, I was beginning to think they must have had an island start.

 

[Bartleby]

I got lucky:

(does anybody know how likely it is that the volcano will erupt again now??)


Trading in 400 AD:

Sold Printing Press to Russia for 211 gold and 98 per turn.

As I feared, PP was now not worth enough to get Invention or Chivalry from anybody.

I traded Theology to Persia for Spices and Dyes (I had previously not considered trading for Persia's Luxuries because they will be my target when I'm finally ready for war, but these 20 turns will be hopefully be enough to make a decent military build-up), and then did a straight swap of Education for Invention.

I traded Printing Press to Germany for what they could afford; 57 gold and 15 gpt.
Then I bought Chivalry from Sumeria for Printing Press & 111 gold
Finally, I got Furs and 2 gold from China for PP.

Then I could easily afford to research Banking in 4 turns.

The only capital cities building Sun Tzu were Moscow and Ur, so I built Embassies in those cities for 40 and 63 gold respectively.

I don't think there's much chance of missing Bach's Cathedral, but I'm expecting not to get Cope's, and I'm apprehensive about having a prebuild for Shakes.

 

[Bartleby]

I traded Printing Press to Germany for what they could afford; 57 gold and 15 gpt.
Then I bought Chivalry from Sumeria for Printing Press & 111 gold

I'm thinking now maybe trading with Sumeria first might've been better. Maybe I'll check it out later.

 

[Spoonwood]

I traded Theology to Persia for Spices and Dyes (I had previously not considered trading for Persia's Luxuries because they will be my target when I'm finally ready for war, but these 20 turns will be hopefully be enough to make a decent military build-up), and then did a straight swap of Education for Invention.

If you're worried about your reputation, if you only included technology for those spices and dyes, and have no resources or luxuries exported to Persia or RoPs, then you can declare war before 20 turns without taking a reputation hit.

 

[Bartleby]

It's more that I'd prefer to get the 20 turns that I paid for. I do care about my trade rep though, and this deal was just luxuries for up-front tech, so I believe I can break it if need be.

 

[BlackBetsy]

I got lucky:

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(does anybody know how likely it is that the volcano will erupt again now??)


Trading in 400 AD:

Sold Printing Press to Russia for 211 gold and 98 per turn.

As I feared, PP was now not worth enough to get Invention or Chivalry from anybody.

I traded Theology to Persia for Spices and Dyes (I had previously not considered trading for Persia's Luxuries because they will be my target when I'm finally ready for war, but these 20 turns will be hopefully be enough to make a decent military build-up), and then did a straight swap of Education for Invention.

I traded Printing Press to Germany for what they could afford; 57 gold and 15 gpt.
Then I bought Chivalry from Sumeria for Printing Press & 111 gold
Finally, I got Furs and 2 gold from China for PP.

Then I could easily afford to research Banking in 4 turns.

The only capital cities building Sun Tzu were Moscow and Ur, so I built Embassies in those cities for 40 and 63 gold respectively.

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I don't think there's much chance of missing Bach's Cathedral, but I'm expecting not to get Cope's, and I'm apprehensive about having a prebuild for Shakes.

I think that there is a good chance that Ur completes Sun Tzu's, which is a great outcome for you.

 

[BlackBetsy]

I got MapFinder to boot up on Windows 11, but it doesn't seem to interact with the game / restart / save maps. Is there anything I should be doing to get it kick started to actually interact with Civ3.

 

[Bartleby]

I don't know, I never tried to get it to work in Windows 10. Mapfinder is picky about directories, make double- and triple-sure it's looking for the right ones maybe?

 

[BlackBetsy]

I don't know, I never tried to get it to work in Windows 10. Mapfinder is picky about directories, make double- and triple-sure it's looking for the right ones maybe?

Yes, it's on the right directories. I was wondering if there was something basic I was doing wrong. It says that its opening up the game, restarting, etc., but the game itself doesn't respond.

Amusingly, I created a virtual machine to run MapFinder on WindowsXP, but then found out that GOG doesn't work on machines running anything earlier than Windows 7. So I'd have to create a virtual machine with Windows 7.

 

[Bartleby]

I've played to 800 AD. I got Bach, Shakes, and Newton, but unfortunately all the Leo's builds meant I didn't get Cope or Smith.

I just entered the Industrial Age, I decided not to gift, to see if I got Steam, but I got Medicine. Then I gifted Germany and Russia, who both got Nationalism, and then Sumeria, who got Steam. I cost me 670 gold + Incense + gems to get it, but thankfully I have multiple sources of Coal. Persia is still in the Middle Ages, and I plan to attack them next turn...hope I can get a leader soon...

Istanbul is now building a Marketplace, I think that's the first non-culture build since before the Great Library in 1200 BC. Culture is 7267 & 95 per turn, with the Cathedral and Colosseum to double shortly before 1000 AD, and the University and Sistine to double around 1300 AD. Bach will double in 1520 AD. Shakes will not double; CAII predicts 20k in 1630 AD as things stand.

I have 5 turns until Industrialization, I should be able to afford to rush a Factory and Coal Plant.



Oh yeah... I got pollution the first turn after finishing Shakes, and then again two turns later.