Beyond The Sword
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Okay, here's the plan:
Home will build the National Epic
Triple Dye, Double Spices, Conf Shrine, Indian Crabs should build a Colosseum or other culture producing building. However, I'm also content with taking Delhi which may be the easier option
Workers should chop the infra for our new cities and others should farm, mine and chop the jungle.
Finish Theology. We may be reaching WFYABTA soon with the AI. We should choose our friends so that we can continue trading. I think Monty is good?
Be able to see what everyone is researching
Build a galley or two to take over spies to Monty to steal some techs off of him
Anything else?
Home will build the National Epic
Triple Dye, Double Spices, Conf Shrine, Indian Crabs should build a Colosseum or other culture producing building. However, I'm also content with taking Delhi which may be the easier option
Workers should chop the infra for our new cities and others should farm, mine and chop the jungle.
Finish Theology. We may be reaching WFYABTA soon with the AI. We should choose our friends so that we can continue trading. I think Monty is good?
Be able to see what everyone is researching
Build a galley or two to take over spies to Monty to steal some techs off of him
Anything else?
Yup. Also we have unlocked the HE and we have marble. For many reasons, Moai city is the best spot for it, we should build it there. 2pop whip infra that is in queue there with overflow into HE.
Pretty much all cities have following priority: infra > wealth. If infra is in place, build wealth. Infra doesn't include library, temple, monastery or market but does include Coliseums for future wars. If we are near break-even at 100% with building wealth, you can build research. We don't need more spies atm and no units until we get CS.
Yup. Also prepare for chain-irrigation (farm tiles that don't need farms but will be needed for chain irrigation. But priority is hooking up calendar resources and sell them.
I think we hit monty's WFYABTA. To get him to friendly we need to wait and see on who he declares and adapt buddhism. I'd give in to demands to convert but wouldn't do it myself. I'm not sure we should butter him up that much because, once we have a vassal, we can forget about trading with them.
That shouldn't be hard. Keep a few EPs on Alex so we could relieve him of what he is researching if we want to. Also try and trade with Asoka, especially if he has gold. It doesn't matter how advanced he is so long as he doesn't outtech us.
No rush. As you saw, delaying spies doesn't hurt much (except when getting crucial techs like currency late). I think we learned about 9 techs in the last 11 turns. If you have a way of moving spies over there it'd be nice, especially for CS, but it costs us A LOT. Spies are travelling long, distance is high, higher risk of capture. We really need to get a view of the land over there.
edit: Something I forgot to mention; Monty is teching paper, he may be en route to lib. I didn't mention it because we won't be challenging him I guess... right?
If it was doable it would've been with a lib (double) bulb, by stealing edu. I don't think that was realistic/worth the effort/in the spirit of the variant so I cancelled that option by stealing Machinery.
I think we should rather figure out what we do regarding land (grab). We do have to go to space, right? In order to steal efficiently (both in EPs and in travel-distance), we "need" the overseas AIs to settle on our continent. Since Alex isn't handling the jungle too well, this may be realistic, especially for Monty who is bordering on him. I think we'll have to get rid of Alex and Asoka sooner or later, they just can't keep up. The goal is to minimize effort so I'd go for draftles, we definitely have the land for it. If that's ok with you, we should try and get them to research stuff we don't have (by gifting them what they're currently teching) if those techs are unimportant. Asoka does have island cities, I'd say we eliminate him anyway to simplify diplomacy, but this is definitely open for discussion.
I think we should rather figure out what we do regarding land (grab). We do have to go to space, right? In order to steal efficiently (both in EPs and in travel-distance), we "need" the overseas AIs to settle on our continent. Since Alex isn't handling the jungle too well, this may be realistic, especially for Monty who is bordering on him. I think we'll have to get rid of Alex and Asoka sooner or later, they just can't keep up. The goal is to minimize effort so I'd go for draftles, we definitely have the land for it. If that's ok with you, we should try and get them to research stuff we don't have (by gifting them what they're currently teching) if those techs are unimportant. Asoka does have island cities, I'd say we eliminate him anyway to simplify diplomacy, but this is definitely open for discussion.
Fair enough.
Yes that is correct. Asoka and Alex will need to die. Draftles seems like a strong approach to me as well. Gifting them what they aren't teching is fine by me providing it won't give them a strong advantage over us. Asoka should die and so should Alex
Yes that is correct.
Asoka and Alex will need to die. Draftles seems like a strong approach to me as well. Gifting them what they aren't teching is fine by me providing it won't give them a strong advantage over us. Asoka should die and so should Alex No I meant giving them what they're teching, if they're teching something we already have. Not going crazy giving away techs but here and there... like if Alex would start on lit next (if he doesn't have it already, not sure now).
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t1-workers 3 and 6 start chopping. Cottage worker is settled Triple dye is building a Colosseum. Gift Alex Aesthetics (he had one turn left of it). A Spy sent to Moai city. Conf Shrine revolted again.
t2-Meet the Incans, Notre Dame built, re-assign EP to steal Engineering off of Alex, whip Colosseum in Triple Dye and Fish Cows, Whip harbour in barb city and Moai.
t3-spices for 4gold to Monty, spices for 2 gold to DG, Lit for 120 gold to Alex, construction for 30 gold (1 turn left), focused EP on Alex and Huyana 4:1 ratio.
t4-Stole optics from Alex, whip forge in double spice, and granary in corn filler
t5-waiting to steal eng from Alex, meet Darius, OB and trade gems for corn and 4gold for dye and sell MC for 50g. In hindsight, I shouldn't have done that since I check now, he's at war with Alex and Monty and the worst enemy of Huayana. Bad move me
Will cancel ASAP though. I set a reminder. Sell currency to Asoka for 40 gold. Oops, JUST realised I didn't have the NE started building in Home! :$ So sorry!!
t6-Whip Colosseum in Indian Crabs, stole CS from Alex
t7-Darius demands Machinery, accept demand. Conf shrine revolts again.
I think this is a stopping point. Theology has done us little good so far.
t1-workers 3 and 6 start chopping. Cottage worker is settled Triple dye is building a Colosseum. Gift Alex Aesthetics (he had one turn left of it). A Spy sent to Moai city. Conf Shrine revolted again.
t2-Meet the Incans, Notre Dame built, re-assign EP to steal Engineering off of Alex, whip Colosseum in Triple Dye and Fish Cows, Whip harbour in barb city and Moai.
t3-spices for 4gold to Monty, spices for 2 gold to DG, Lit for 120 gold to Alex, construction for 30 gold (1 turn left), focused EP on Alex and Huyana 4:1 ratio.
t4-Stole optics from Alex, whip forge in double spice, and granary in corn filler
t5-waiting to steal eng from Alex, meet Darius, OB and trade gems for corn and 4gold for dye and sell MC for 50g. In hindsight, I shouldn't have done that since I check now, he's at war with Alex and Monty and the worst enemy of Huayana. Bad move me
Will cancel ASAP though. I set a reminder. Sell currency to Asoka for 40 gold. Oops, JUST realised I didn't have the NE started building in Home! :$ So sorry!!t6-Whip Colosseum in Indian Crabs, stole CS from Alex
t7-Darius demands Machinery, accept demand. Conf shrine revolts again.
I think this is a stopping point. Theology has done us little good so far.
Damn, lost my post.
Anyway, looking good overall. Some of the micro is suspect to say the least...
What do you think we should be doing now, in the next few turns? It's usually me who proposes plans, but what would you do?
Anyway, looking good overall. Some of the micro is suspect to say the least...
What do you think we should be doing now, in the next few turns? It's usually me who proposes plans, but what would you do?
Oops, I JUST saw the appalling tiles being worked in the capital
Anyway, I honestly am not sure on what to do. I think it's come to the point though where we should turn off research since anything else will become very expensive. Perhaps we could get up some Conf Missionaries, revolt to Conf and spread it to all the closest AI cities Also, I think it may be worth switching our EP onto the tech leader and we can steal from him only now. Other than that, not too sure. We just have to wait our time until rifles and farm the heck out of everything and let the cities grow.
Anyway, I honestly am not sure on what to do. I think it's come to the point though where we should turn off research since anything else will become very expensive. Perhaps we could get up some Conf Missionaries, revolt to Conf and spread it to all the closest AI cities Also, I think it may be worth switching our EP onto the tech leader and we can steal from him only now.
Other than that, not too sure. We just have to wait our time until rifles and farm the heck out of everything and let the cities grow.Why would we spread confucianism? 40 hammers for the chance of getting +1gpt? Revolting to confucianism would draw a big bullseye on our back. Ask lonely taoist Darius...
Delhi really is a pita. At some point our 2 indian cities may re-join asoka. Even when not, Conf shrine will be crippled forever if we keep it like this. Considering his strength, I'd upgrade a few of the better-promoted vults to maces and take his cities on the mainland. What happens afterwards, with his island cities doesn't hurry.
Stealing from Monty only does have it's advantages, like more choice what to steal. But it's more expensive than stealing from Alex. I'd continue amassing EPs vs Monty but keep stealing mainly from Alex for now.
We definitely can still selfresearch, but I'd suggest maybe Drama over DR for now. When most cities are done with infra we can build wealth to breakeven and should have some cities free to build research to help.
Delhi really is a pita. At some point our 2 indian cities may re-join asoka. Even when not, Conf shrine will be crippled forever if we keep it like this. Considering his strength, I'd upgrade a few of the better-promoted vults to maces and take his cities on the mainland. What happens afterwards, with his island cities doesn't hurry.
Stealing from Monty only does have it's advantages, like more choice what to steal. But it's more expensive than stealing from Alex. I'd continue amassing EPs vs Monty but keep stealing mainly from Alex for now.
We definitely can still selfresearch, but I'd suggest maybe Drama over DR for now. When most cities are done with infra we can build wealth to breakeven and should have some cities free to build research to help.
I thought them having our state religion makes missions A LOT cheaper?
Delhi needs to be captured sooner rather than later. It's really costing us lots of gold every couple of turns!
Drama seems good. Did you want to play or shall I continue for a little bit longer?
Delhi needs to be captured sooner rather than later. It's really costing us lots of gold every couple of turns!
Drama seems good.
Did you want to play or shall I continue for a little bit longer?Hey sorry, but do you mind if I hand it over?
Turns out I was invited to a wedding this weekend (and the parties before it) and I got a last minute call asking if I was going to turn up since I never replied to the invite. Turns out it got lost in the mail
Turns out I was invited to a wedding this weekend (and the parties before it) and I got a last minute call asking if I was going to turn up since I never replied to the invite. Turns out it got lost in the mail
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