Bohemian Build Queues

[Cyc]

OK. It may turn out that I'm the interim Governor for Bohemia. So, it's time to get a discussion going about build queue updates. This way polls can be started later. I'm not saying that anything in this thread is going to be approved for Wednesday's chat, but I feel we should get the discussion going regardless. I'm starting a new thread because a t/c has passed since the last one.

I will post the build queues that I feel are important. Then I will explain the how's and why's. Then I ask that you reply with your comments about my suggestions and make suggestions of your own if you feel the need.

Bavaria - Size 4, No Growth, Warrior in 1
Valhalla - Size 2, Growth in 4, Settler in 6
Morgana - Size 2, Growth in 12, Swordsman in 3

Bavaria - Warrior (c), Warrior, Spear, Spear, Sword, Sword
Valhalla - Settler (c), Settler, Settler, Barracks or Settler
Morgana - Sword (c), Sword, Worker, Sword, Sword
Next City - Settler, Settler, Barracks

Pre-turn - Send the Sword in Bavaria to Valhalla to escourt the Settler there 4 tiles to the SW and plant the next city. Because we've taken one of the MP's from Bavaria, we will need to increase the Lux to 10%. The two workers will finish the road SW of Bavaria in 3 turns and should both be moved to complete the road in the forest West of Morgana. This road should be done on the 7th turn. At that time I suggest moving them both due West of Bavaria to build a road to our next city.

Turn #1 the Settler and Sword leave Valhalla to their destination.
The Warrior completed in Bavaria can stay in Bavaria for fortification or move on to Morgana, either one. The following Warrior will be our last due to upgrade funding or lack there of.
The reason I follow that Warrior with 2 Spears is because we will have quite a rush of new cities which will need protection and we can have 2 spears in 6 turns as opposed to 1 sword in 5 turns. Following the second spear, I change to Swordsman.

Morgana should complete its current Sword, start and complete another Sword, then start a third Sword - but when Morgana grows to the next pop, it should be switched to a Worker. This not only gives us the extra Worker to connect a new city, but keeps the pop in Morgana content.

The first new city - Octavinium? Kuhkaff? will have the Sword that escourted it for protection, so it can start immediately on Settlers. I suggest 2 right away and then maybe a barracks or temple. But I feel that this new city should be a Settler Factory.

Btw, we will have to wait a turn for the second Settler in Valhalla because of the pop reduction of the first Settler (I believe).

Please post your comments.

 

[disorganizer]

Kuhkaff, please
* I think Valhalla production and growth should be enough to gain the next settler without waiting... but we will see.
* The new cities should produce workers/settlers and nothing else at first
* I Second Spearmen in Bavaria, but which effect would that have on the existing war-plan? Please check with military

 

[Shaitan]

Last I checked, (2 chats ago?) the tile use in the cities was not optimized. Instead of cranking straight settlers I'd prefer a rotation like: settler, worker, spear, settler, worker, spear for the growth cities. Our infrastructure completely blows and we need workers. Interspersing spears will help with the defense of the new cities and the pop reduction problem from the constant settler & worker builds. My ideal queue would be: settler, spear, worker, spear, settler, spear, worker, spear, etc. With two growth cities (Valhalla and New Cow City) this will give a measured and defensible growth. Let explosive growth be handled by the military.

 

[donsig]

I agree that we need a worker from Valhalla before another settler. And we have enough gold to upgrade three new warriors so PLEASE have Bavaria recruit 3 warriors instead of 2. This will only take 2 more turns.

 

[disorganizer]

i would even say have 1 warrior in spare, so build until our fund are down to 0 and the road is connected. and then switch to swordmen.
if we have 1-2 warriors left which we cant upgrade now, we can use them as garison temporarily and upgrade as soon as we have enough money for them. so i would prefer having 1 warrior too much instead of going short with 1.

 

[Civanator]

Cyc, can you post a current map of bohemia?

 

[Stuck_as_a_Mac]

Cyc. Congrats on taking over. I agree we need workeers, but after the settlers. We need to get larger before our infastructure can become larger.
Opinions?

 

[disorganizer]

CyC: the 2 units in bavaria must stay stationed or our citizens will riot. please see province thread for details.

 

[Cyc]

As to the first round of comments...
Shaitan - I see your point and will say that maybe Settler, Spear, Worker will work in Valhalla. I don't think we can follow a Settler with a Worker and I think a Settler should be first.

Donsig - The third Warrior is in Morgana (having a beer) as we speak. He and the 2 in production will be our three upgrades.

Dis - Spears are much better for garrison and only cost one extra turn. We need the defensive quality of the Spears more than an extra upgrade possibility, which we would have to wait for anyway. We are making -2gpt? Also, see above, after we take the sword out of Bavaria to escourt the Settler, we would raise the Lux to 10% to cover the unhappiness.

Civanator - Please see the "City Placement 3" thread for the most recent map I've posted of 1275B.C.

Stuck - thanks.

 

[Octavian X]

As for Morgana, the city which I am mayor, I support the proposed build queue.

 

[Bill_in_PDX]

Let me just add that finding this discussion and well laid out strategy is a refreshing change. Thank you Cyc.

And it will not be necessary to poll for the build queue as long as you have a general consensus here of the plan.

Bill

 

[Plexus]

I like the proposed build queues... they have my support.

 

[Civanator]

Cyc- Thank you. I will see to it.

 

[donsig]

Originally posted by Cyc
Donsig - The third Warrior is in Morgana (having a beer) as we speak. He and the 2 in production will be our three upgrades.

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I meant we have enough to upgrade three warriors after the one in Morgana. We have 163g in the treasury. That's a total of four warrior upgrades. So can we please spend two turns and put three warriors in the queue?

 

[Cyc]

Donsig - I'm sure you are fully aware of how I feel about spending all of our gold on upgrades. We are already in the negative income bracket. By the time the second Warrior is trained, we will not have enough gold for 4 upgrades. That's just the gold part of it. We need to knock out those two Spears for defending the cities that will start springing up in Fanatika. Warriors are half their strength and Swords are almost double their cost.
So we can't afford more upgrades than the three we have planned and we need the defensive bonus of the Spears. After that then we switch Bavaria to Swords.

Keep in mind we will be raising our Lux Slider to 10% to increase happiness. With our cities growing, we may have to increase it some more, in which case we will need the extra gold.

 

[GenMarshall]

I beleve that we should be building more military Units. And I am happy with the Queues . Lets keep building more units for the War against the Aztecs . And since we are running low on funds, I beleve we should find mor ways to get more gold with out hurrting both the Science and the Mlitary .

 

[Cyc]

Excellent point, CivGeneral. I am working on just that. With the new cities that we will be planting around the Province, plus any cities that we can take and hold from the Aztecs, we will bring in more taxes. The more cities, the more gold. I plan to keep Bavaria and Morgana on Military units as much as possible. Even our new cities that are not Settler factories should be focused on Military units, IMHO.

 

[Bill_in_PDX]

Neutral Leader has resigned as Governor of Bohemia. I have posted that notice with out President, and urged him to push for a rapid confirmation of a replacement.

Bill
Chief Justice

 

[Cyc]

Thank you, Bill.

I have tried to answer everyones's concerns and questions in this thread. Donsig, I'm going to ask you to recalculate your gold spending on warrior upgrades. Other than that we seem to have a good general consensus of the plan I've laid out above. I believe producing Settlers and building a couple of cities at first will help us gain strength monetarily and militarily. These Settlers will be built in the NW cities. Bavaria and Morgana will stick with Military units as much as possible, with the exception of an occasional Worker from Morgana.

So, I will presume that the build queues and worker plans are satisfactory and will use the above plan when I post the build queues. If you have a problem with these plans please post quickly and in detail. Thank you,

Cyc

 

[Shaitan]

If you're going settler/spear/worker in Valhalla, you've got my vote. The plan looks like a very nice compromise.