Can you justify this statement?

Hmm to answer the orginal question, yes its justified considering
"Miranda v. Arizona" is only for American Citizens. Anyone else held by the US falls under International Law and whatever laws it has concerning persons held by countries.
 
Moff Jerjerrod said:
What Germany and Italy and their satellites tried in the 20th century and failed the USA will try in the 21st.

Fascism never really died folks. It is alive and well in the world today.
Anything to support this statement that does NOT require accepting it blindly?
 
Colonel said:
Hmm to answer the orginal question, yes its justified considering
"Miranda v. Arizona" is only for American Citizens. Anyone else held by the US falls under International Law and whatever laws it has concerning persons held by countries.
Where did you get that BS from?

All criminal law applies to everybody in the US: Citizen, legal immigrant, and illegal immigrant alike.

"International law" has no governing authority is therfore just a set of treaties amung nations. It's really up to individual nations to deal with international issues.
 
Keshik said:
It's an ugly business and if you can't stomach what it takes to protect our way of life, then you shouldn't think about it. You step on the big dog's tail, he bites you. Hard.
You bring up an interesting point here. It seems to be that the core question is How far into barbarism are you willing to go to defeat the barbarian? The problem with this is of course that you are getting into the idea that we need to act out the same way.

The war on terror is not a conventional war in any way shape or form. We are essentially fighting an ideological war. If we turn ourselves into barbarians (using the example above, I do not mean to insult you or your argument), we are showing to the people that in fact we are no better than the Taliban. If indeed we went to war to protect our way of life (which I whole heartedly agree with as far as Afghanistan is concerned), then how can you say that we should throw away our way of life, our way of thinking when we start fighting for it. What is the point of fighting if, in fighting, we lose what we are fighting for? We give up a civil liberty here, deny a right there, and all of a sudden, we are no longer a beacon of hope and instead, become an imperialistic power.

Now I will not say that America should be fighting a politically correct war. If a situation arises, I expect our military's leaders to make a judgment call. I also expect them to live with the consequences of that judgement call. If it turns out to be baseless and it was obvious at the time that it was baseless, then that leader should have to pay that price. However, if that piece of info might have saved lives or did save lives, then the leader should be commended.
 
malclave said:
Anything to support this statement that does NOT require accepting it blindly?

All I can say is that if you studied European history of the 1920's and 1930's you will notice certain trends that occured prior to the fascists gaining power.

Compare with what you see today in North America and I can see some small similarities. I.E. rallying the nation around a threat, glorifying the military, taking certain freedoms away in the name of fighting an enemy, etc.

Food for thought.
 
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