Canada vs. USA Scenario

Nick Garai

Nick Garai

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Alright, does ANYONE know where you can find a map that has Canada vs. USA on it? I would love to play that.
 
Nick_G said:
Alright, does ANYONE know where you can find a map that has Canada vs. USA on it? I would love to play that.
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Off the top of my head, I remember downloading a scenario where Mexico and Canada team up and invade the US.

A US-Canada war wouldn't take a day- capturing the Canada's major cities, which are all close to the border, would be easy. Clearing out all the patriots/diehards would be very difficult.

And yes, I'm from the states.
 
Yes well a typical scenario would be that the majority of Canada's population is along the 49th Parallel and within about 100 Km (approximately) so that would only be about 5-10 grids on a map. Obviously the Usa would come up with a strong contingent but with the Rockies, that is where probably any game would change.

The scenario would be a very difficult one. The USA has ten times the population and several tech levels more technology and most likely would win, however, it would lead to some spectacular battles in the Rockies if Alaska were to invade from there. Also ther is a tiny little island off the Maritimes where the French have a colony (okay so that would only be a size 1 city) but then there would also likely be British Support so then there would be some additional things to help out Canada.

Not to mention all the smaller towns that could represent the First Nations people who probably wouldn't be to keen on losing their land claims. There would be many partisans and soldiers in the war. The navy would not be used much as Canada would probably focus more on protecting Ontario and Quebec while abandoning the wide stretch of the prairie provinces and try to keep BC for its resources.

Also, Denmark has already claimed an island in Northern Canada. It may be small but that would have a city of 1.

In the end, Canada has a large area to cover. Bombers and tanks would rip through from the states however with such a large area, it would be interesting to see the challenges.

Canada's coasts would be toast, obviously. The northern prairies and British Columbia would be strategic. Ontario and Quebec would contain large cities so these would be able to hold out somewhat. Even the States still have to get up there from around the country. The big advantage would obviously be the nukes, advanced fighters and bombers.

But, it would be fun for a scenario if someone made the board.

Heck, Vancouver Island could become a fortress out of which a New Canadian Empire could emerge and reclaim the Pacific Northwest in a stunning series of military victories beginning a New Pax Canadiana in North America.

or not.

;)
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Canada
http://www.canadainfolink.ca/DensityMap2001.jpg
https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/ca.html


A one day war is right, plus we only have a small military. It would cause a HUGE international outcry and the US would be in big trouble. Also, there isn't really anything major for them to gain. Except water and land.

Also, challenges, hmmm, well, the roads, they are good roads. BC might take 2 days. THe territories, why even bother except a small detachment? Quebec would take 2 days.




Now, if we went back to the US civil war and make it so the US declares war on the British Empire... that would work. Some of the politicians did toss around the idea of the North invading Canada but they were a minority. During that period there was a large influx in Canadians joining the militia. Even though the US could put 150,000 men into Canada in a week they would have a fight on their hands. Actualy, I'd like to see an alternate history scenario on that.

Of course, we would make up a few events and tweak a few existing ones giving the US a somewhat legitimate reason to declare war on Britain. Also perhaps have some more British troops in Canada and more on the way. But gave it so that a certain city (maybe Montreal) must be held at all costs by the Canadian troops to recieve reinforcements from Britain.
 
It's time to put the America... BACK into North America!
 
Hello Good People,

One idea I had was that Alaska tries succession and enlists the support of Canada. The United States might have a massive military but perhaps could run into a load of United Nations trouble invading Canada to quell a restless Alaska. Within reason it is somewhat a Canda vs. USA scenario but more like an Alaska, Canada, USA international incident situation. It might be fun to play as alternative history scenario though. Just an idea...
 
Does anyone think that something like this would happen soon? This would only happen if the U.S. and Canada get in some kind of argument and there's some scandal in NATO...

" Mr. President, the Canadian government wants to have a conference with you about Point Roberts."
"Point who?"
"Point Roberts, a tiny peninsula that sticks out of BC, but is under the parallel, so is claimed by us. But since it's isolated, they'd like it to be Canadian."
"OK. I'll talk with them."
*******************In the conference room*********************
"So, US prez, can we have Point Roberts?"
"No. Only if you give us Alberta."
"Why the hell do you need Alberta?"
"Well, I'm a Conservative. So hand it over!"
"No you Shatner-stealing-Mexico-touchers!***"
********************In NATO headquarters*********************
"OK, so you to want to break your alliance within NATO?"
"Yes Mr. NATO, sir."
"Wow... um... just don't start a war, OK?"
"Fine,we won't..."

The next day everything that has to do with NATO was found burned, and all NATO personnel were found dead. So the US and Canada started a war...
***= a joke from the Simpsons
 
How about a scenario based on the war of 1812? Canada (with a little help from us brits) did pretty well in that one I heard.. (Arrogant worms chime in with their song 'war of 1812'....) ' ... and we took a boat to washington and burned it to the ground..' :lol:

A modern day war might not be so easy for the US either. ;) In a real life scenario the Canadian army might well be mashed in minutes. But the long occupation could well breed a guerrilla resistance movement that would make life impossible for the american occupiers. Think plucky hezbollah pounding the 'el' out of the grotesque zionist child killing beast war machine! Or the french resistance to the Nazi occupiers or how about the spanish resistance to Napoleon's conquest of Spain. In that one a single spanish patriot heroicly prostituted herself to a platoon of french soldiers just to get the opportunity of poisoning them all even though certian death was the inevitable result of her victory. A single guerilla fighter even with his improvised weapons and non-existant funding defending his homeland is often worth a 100 pay-check collecting uber equipped dogs of war. Why? because their morale is higher to the nth degree, the guerilla fighter has 110% of his body and soul in the war effort. He can think creatively in how he fights. The paid uniformed thug of the invading army is typically little more than a lobotimied robot zombie who just obeys orders.. If he has any free will left after his 'training' all he wants is to somehow stay alive.... which generally means fragging your commanding officer and making a run for it!!! (The US invasion of Vietnam anyone?)

However I think in real life Canada is more likely be taken over by the subversion of their government than by any full scale war...
 
zenspiderz said:
How about a scenario based on the war of 1812? Canada (with a little help from us brits) did pretty well in that one I heard.. (Arrogant worms chime in with their song 'war of 1812'....) ' ... and we took a boat to washington and burned it to the ground..' :lol:

A modern day war might not be so easy for the US either. ;) In a real life scenario the Canadian army might well be mashed in minutes. But the long occupation could well breed a guerrilla resistance movement that would make life impossible for the american occupiers. Think plucky hezbollah pounding the 'el' out of the grotesque zionist child killing beast war machine! Or the french resistance to the Nazi occupiers or how about the spanish resistance to Napoleon's conquest of Spain. In that one a single spanish patriot heroicly prostituted herself to a platoon of french soldiers just to get the opportunity of poisoning them all even though certian death was the inevitable result of her victory. A single guerilla fighter even with his improvised weapons and non-existant funding defending his homeland is often worth a 100 pay-check collecting uber equipped dogs of war. Why? because their morale is higher to the nth degree, the guerilla fighter has 110% of his body and soul in the war effort. He can think creatively in how he fights. The paid uniformed thug of the invading army is typically little more than a lobotimied robot zombie who just obeys orders.. If he has any free will left after his 'training' all he wants is to somehow stay alive.... which generally means fragging your commanding officer and making a run for it!!! (The US invasion of Vietnam anyone?)

However I think in real life Canada is more likely be taken over by the subversion of their government than by any full scale war...
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Anyone know where someone can get a map of USA/CANADA?
 
Hey Nick,

Here are a couple maps located here on CivFanatics:

Canada
North America 1
North America 2

I'd also like to direct you to a couple of other sites that civfanatic has links for here:

http://www.civfanatics.com/links/

You can easily find maps or whatever you are looking for there too. I would also encourage you to explore Mercator's site for learning to make a Gigamap - it's only good for MGE or ToT but since everyone can update to MGE using Cedric Greene's patch there shouldn't be a problem with compatibility.

My question is: Does this mean you're going to make the scenario now?

I would recommend doing a web search and tracking down all of the Canadian scenarios you can find. This will help you in your research if you decide to create the scenario - things like icons, people, events, units, maps and so forth are sometimes a way to get pointed in the right direction when you can see another interpretation - know what you are up against first.
 
To Nick G: tho think the Canadian government is submisive(not you words) is a mistake. This government is a strong willed entity. Canada is a socialist sociaty working for the betterment of the people. To think that we would lay down for amore powefull(wich the USA is) country, is to not truley understand Canadian politics. All things that can benifit Canada(on the whole) are controlled by the government. Eg; health care, grain sales, lumber, water conservation, oil and many others. Our trading products like grains are purchased by the government gaurenteed, then sould as a whole to other countries, fetching the best price but often undercuting other sources. Even from their own countries. Providing Canadians with a steady income. Socialism is a powerful form of government, reaching ito many other facets of life, for example radio. 30% of content must be of Canadian content, building a national pride not acheved in other democratic countries. What makes us different from a dictator ship is the fact we are aware of this and allowed to seek knowledge and opinion from foriegn sources. Independant thought is the core of our teachings in school.(not spelling as you can tell) We do have our problems, the biggest being provences have too much say in their participation.(quebec) I for one put country first and formost. I don't know how this site works yet, just signed on. Feel free to email you thoughts on this to chapstercan@hotmail.com. Also what does the world thing of Canada? Thanks for reading my rant!
 
CivPartisan said:
Hey Nick,

Here are a couple maps located here on CivFanatics:

Canada
North America 1
North America 2

I'd also like to direct you to a couple of other sites that civfanatic has links for here:

http://www.civfanatics.com/links/

You can easily find maps or whatever you are looking for there too. I would also encourage you to explore Mercator's site for learning to make a Gigamap - it's only good for MGE or ToT but since everyone can update to MGE using Cedric Greene's patch there shouldn't be a problem with compatibility.

My question is: Does this mean you're going to make the scenario now?

I would recommend doing a web search and tracking down all of the Canadian scenarios you can find. This will help you in your research if you decide to create the scenario - things like icons, people, events, units, maps and so forth are sometimes a way to get pointed in the right direction when you can see another interpretation - know what you are up against first.
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Yep. I am definitely going to look into it. It would be interesting to try the scenario at various stages of history.

1812 War
Years of the Avro Air Fighter
Modern Day
Trudeau Era


I think that playing a game when the Avro Air Fighter was created

Besides, isn't Canada always the country in Marvel comics that has mysterious stuff happening here???

LOL
 
chapstercan said:
To Nick G: tho think the Canadian government is submisive(not you words) is a mistake. This government is a strong willed entity. Canada is a socialist sociaty working for the betterment of the people. To think that we would lay down for amore powefull(wich the USA is) country, is to not truley understand Canadian politics. All things that can benifit Canada(on the whole) are controlled by the government. Eg; health care, grain sales, lumber, water conservation, oil and many others. Our trading products like grains are purchased by the government gaurenteed, then sould as a whole to other countries, fetching the best price but often undercuting other sources. Even from their own countries. Providing Canadians with a steady income. Socialism is a powerful form of government, reaching ito many other facets of life, for example radio. 30% of content must be of Canadian content, building a national pride not acheved in other democratic countries. What makes us different from a dictator ship is the fact we are aware of this and allowed to seek knowledge and opinion from foriegn sources. Independant thought is the core of our teachings in school.(not spelling as you can tell) We do have our problems, the biggest being provences have too much say in their participation.(quebec) I for one put country first and formost. I don't know how this site works yet, just signed on. Feel free to email you thoughts on this to chapstercan@hotmail.com. Also what does the world thing of Canada? Thanks for reading my rant!
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Hey Chapstercan. I know that Canada is not a "peaceful" or "submissive" nation as we are thought to believe. We are definitely an assertive nation and I would not be afraid to say that we are aggressive. While Canada does not have the manpower that many other nations have, we have had points in history where a united Canada has been a formidable and dominant entity on the world scene.
 
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