Can't build floating gardens next to Lake Victoria :-(

[robbie380]

I was disappointed to see that I couldn't build them. Any reason why they don't let the Aztecs build the floating gardens next to this massive lake?

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

Nobody can build any "fresh water" buildings or tiles next to it (unless other sources of freshwater are available). It's a Natural Wonder, not technically a lake tile.

 

[robbie380]

I understand it's a natural wonder, but can't you build observatories next to mountain natural wonders?

 

[KrikkitTwo]

you can build observatories near ALL national wonders, because they are all counted as mountains.

(which should be changed)

 

[Glassmage]

You can change this is in the civ5buildings.xml. Find <Building_FeatureYieldChanges>, add in:

<Row>
<BuildingType>BUILDING_FLOATING_GARDENS</BuildingType>
<FeatureType>FEATURE_LAKE_VICTORIA</FeatureType>
<YieldType>YIELD_FOOD</YieldType>
<Yield>2</Yield>
</Row>

Also in civ5features_expansion2.xml Add freshwater to lake victoria by put in:

<AddsFreshWater>true</AddsFreshWater>

 

[Law Lord]

you can build observatories near ALL national wonders, because they are all counted as mountains.

(which should be changed)

It's an odd inconsistency - Kilimanjaro etc. count as mountains but Lake Victoria does not count as a lake. I think I would prefer to see Lake Victoria get a slight nerf down to +5 food, but get added as a freshwater source. Either way, you're right - this should get changed somehow.

 

[OmniPotent42]

Natural Wonders have always been messed up, but it seems like the devs don't want to bother putting in 2 more if statements in their code for certain wonders.

 

[headcase]

Lake Victoria is amusing as it is now. Not only does it count as a mountain, it behaves as one too! You can't see to the other side of it! Maybe there's a constant fog over the lake? But then why would it be an ideal site for an observatory? I'd imagine Firaxis will find it patch-worthy.

 

[Glassmage]

sigh.... Change the seethrough value from 2 to 0

 

[Muskie]

You can't put a farm on top of a sacred lake. I personally like the holy mountains, I always find them and settle right beside the holy mountains for the massive faith bonus. I don't have a problem with not developing a holy site.

 

[compwiz1202]

That would be crazy. With ToA and FG, you would get the 2 extra food for 8, then 25% bonus would make 10 food for just that hex

 

[redwings1340]

I can't build Neuschwanstein in my current game right now, even though my city is next to Mount Kilimanjaro. I was able to build an observatory earlier in the game in that city, and nobody else has built the wonder yet. So it counts as a mountain, yet doesn't? I'm a bit confused too.

 

[Cromagnus]

I can't build Neuschwanstein in my current game right now, even though my city is next to Mount Kilimanjaro. I was able to build an observatory earlier in the game in that city, and nobody else has built the wonder yet. So it counts as a mountain, yet doesn't? I'm a bit confused too.

Kilimanjaro is so powerful. It turns early/mid-game invasion into easy mode.

 

[joncnunn]

I can't build Neuschwanstein in my current game right now, even though my city is next to Mount Kilimanjaro. I was able to build an observatory earlier in the game in that city, and nobody else has built the wonder yet. So it counts as a mountain, yet doesn't? I'm a bit confused too.

As I recall, the Disneyland castle wonder uses a different flag (near mountain); which is defined differently.

The code defining adjacent to mountain includes natural wonders because it's really looking for impassable terrain.
The code defining Near mountain actually looks for mountains.

 

[Halcyan2]

I can't build Neuschwanstein in my current game right now, even though my city is next to Mount Kilimanjaro. I was able to build an observatory earlier in the game in that city, and nobody else has built the wonder yet. So it counts as a mountain, yet doesn't? I'm a bit confused too.

It (and similar Natural Wonders) count as a mountain for the Observatory, but NOT for Machu Picchu or Neuschwanstein.

 

[Juanholio]

That would be crazy. With ToA and FG, you would get the 2 extra food for 8, then 25% bonus would make 10 food for just that hex

I don't think that'd be any more crazy than getting 12 food(presumably) if you're playing Spain.

 

[flying_dug0ng]

It (and similar Natural Wonders) count as a mountain for the Observatory, but NOT for Machu Picchu or Neuschwanstein.

Learned this the hard way.. prepped all my castles and couldn't build Nooshen

 

[Hyperion529]

i think the lake counts as a source of freshwater for adjacent tiles though, i.e. giving +1 food for farms with civil service. so counting it as a real lake would only be consistent

 

[EscapedGoat]

i think the lake counts as a source of freshwater for adjacent tiles though, i.e. giving +1 food for farms with civil service. so counting it as a real lake would only be consistent

Unfortunately it doesn't act as a source of freshwater. Lazy programming from firaxis (again).