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Capital City Placement
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Vizurok
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Northwest and east are both fine... east makes a good city and lets space to build another good city to the NW...
Damn!
I voted on NW instead of East... East needs votes... is it possible to change it?
Damn!
I voted on NW instead of East... East needs votes... is it possible to change it?
This is a case of "should we move the worker first?". If we move north, it may not be next to a coast. We could wind up losing several coastal tiles (up to 4 or so!) just because we're not next to the coast for a harbor. Let's not shoot ourselves in the foot with city placement again.
FortyJ
Deity
From the screenshot, it appears that the only possible coastal tiles within 1 turn of our current position are NW, W, and SW. W and SW deny us access to the river, so those do not make much sense. NW will give us fresh water from the river and ocean access, but it may not be the best location for our capitol.
N keeps us on the river, clears the jungle and keeps us 1 tile away from the 2 wheat tiles, but it does not appear to be on the coast. Furthermore, it is so close to the coast, that it may prevent us from building another riverside city on the nearby coast. E on the other hand, does not clear the jungle, but it does keep the 2 wheat tiles within close proximity, plus it allows us to settle our next city on the river and the northern coastline.
N keeps us on the river, clears the jungle and keeps us 1 tile away from the 2 wheat tiles, but it does not appear to be on the coast. Furthermore, it is so close to the coast, that it may prevent us from building another riverside city on the nearby coast. E on the other hand, does not clear the jungle, but it does keep the 2 wheat tiles within close proximity, plus it allows us to settle our next city on the river and the northern coastline.
Epimethius
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Where's the option to settle where we are? We should at least have the choice.
I'm surprised so many people are voting for the North. Sure, we clear one jungle. But there is at least two more. Judging by the minimap, we are in the center of the world, which does not have small patches of jungle, it has rainforests. So if we settle there we have a good chance of getting five jungle tiles. And those don't go away easily. We clear one by founding it there, and add five more. Plus we lose the southern hills and forests. We also make it so a city founded at the mouth or the river, which would be a good, close, port city, would be too close to the capital. I really don't see why anyone would choose that over east, where we clear a forest, get at least two (probably four) flood plains, two wheat, and a lot of hills and forest, and southwest, where we get pretty much the same.
I'm surprised so many people are voting for the North. Sure, we clear one jungle. But there is at least two more. Judging by the minimap, we are in the center of the world, which does not have small patches of jungle, it has rainforests. So if we settle there we have a good chance of getting five jungle tiles. And those don't go away easily. We clear one by founding it there, and add five more. Plus we lose the southern hills and forests. We also make it so a city founded at the mouth or the river, which would be a good, close, port city, would be too close to the capital. I really don't see why anyone would choose that over east, where we clear a forest, get at least two (probably four) flood plains, two wheat, and a lot of hills and forest, and southwest, where we get pretty much the same.
The vote change above seems to have been used to justify choosing E over N. It's not the President's job to question leaders' interpretation of the WOTP, but I'm not sure that it is a good idea to honor vote changes, at least on non-public polls..
Cyc
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Yea! Let's hear it for Public Polls!...I mean Yea! Let's hear it for the North location. This is great! No if we send our first Settler 3 tiles to the South and plant on that hill, our second city will have great production and growth. Yehaww!Epimethius
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Everyone, it turns out the Will of the People does not matter. The capital was built north despite the tie and resulting tiebreaker on Noldodan's part.
Which prooves not only that there was more than one jungle north of us, but also my theory that if I don't attend all hell breaks loose. And I skipped this chat to prove that wrong, so I wouldn't feel so obligated.
Which prooves not only that there was more than one jungle north of us, but also my theory that if I don't attend all hell breaks loose. And I skipped this chat to prove that wrong, so I wouldn't feel so obligated.
Espírito
Civ Addict
Again, in these situations a poll with only two options would be best because those who vioted SE wold probably have backed E over N 
Just suggesting imporvemnets, not complaining.
Just suggesting imporvemnets, not complaining.
Provolution
Sage of Quatronia
I would recommend everyone to read the chatlog, so people can make their own judgement on what really happened, this is yet another Florida 2000 situation.
I also want people to consider this chatlog, threads and so on in order to understand how the different decisionmakers think and act. I also support that we went for 3 extra turns, which will also preempt telepathic strategizing with wishing branches, fantasizing and hollow rhetoric, but a real map, with real links to the civilopedia and a qualified analysis.
I also want people to consider this chatlog, threads and so on in order to understand how the different decisionmakers think and act. I also support that we went for 3 extra turns, which will also preempt telepathic strategizing with wishing branches, fantasizing and hollow rhetoric, but a real map, with real links to the civilopedia and a qualified analysis.
Provolution
Sage of Quatronia
Yes, we need new rules of engagement, criteria city building and finally another type of polling regime. I would certainly have backed east ver north, north was my last choice after that hill.
Provolution
Sage of Quatronia
in the future we should have public polls on city placement. I want people to know who did which decisions, so they can take future rhetoric with s grain of salt.
Espírito
Civ Addict
Provo, use the edit button! Where's the chatlog btw, Ive not found it yet...
GeZe
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Espírito said:Again, in these situations a poll with only two options would be best because those who vioted SE wold probably have backed E over N
Just suggesting imporvemnets, not complaining.
Same for people who voted for northwest, they would have voted for north.
Espírito
Civ Addict
THat still puts E/SE 18 - 17 N/NW
I think polls such as this should be limited to a few, if not 2 options, whoever voted W or NE should 'take remedial classes'
I think polls such as this should be limited to a few, if not 2 options, whoever voted W or NE should 'take remedial classes'
and are clearly not really options which would benefit.Civman2004 said:
Civman2004
Something goes here...
A couple of options:
The appropriate ministry could limit the choices for us. From the prior discussion it was obvious that there were only a few well-supported places of settlement.
An alternative could be preferential voting. Would have to be implemented off site though.
The appropriate ministry could limit the choices for us. From the prior discussion it was obvious that there were only a few well-supported places of settlement.
An alternative could be preferential voting. Would have to be implemented off site though.
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