Citizen Honors?

[Strider]

About a year and a half ago (during the course's of DG1 and DG2), there was a citizen honors system in place. Orginally organized and proposed by disorganizer, I was honored by being gifted to run the Citizen Honors.

The citizen honor system allows, as the name states, the ability to honor a citizen of the DG who has contributed much to the game. To make it as fair as possible, I propose the following:

1st) A citizen must nominate (no self-nominations aloud) another citizen for an honor. They must specify which honor and why they deserve it.
2nd) A second citizen must second the nomination.
3rd) All Honors must goto a poll of the house. A simple majority must approve.
4th) The current president of the game can either approve the honor or veto the honor, only if the honor did not meet the current quorum within the house. If the honor did meet the current quorum, this step is skipped.

This is to make sure that someone doesn't just nominate a friend for an honor, and it is accepted. It also should make honors fairly rare.

There should be the following honors (un-named):
Military
Domestic
Science
Trade
Culture
Leadership
Judicial
Debate
Foreign Affairs
Provincial
Outstanding Citizenship
Dedication

All of these would have to be translated into sometype of "Formal Name," but these should be the basic type of honors we could have.

Any comments? Should we bing this old system back?

 

[Ashburnham]

This sounds like a great idea, Strider. I'm not sure how the system worked in previous Demogames, but wouldn't it make sense if we waited til it was near the end of the DG to honor citizens? That way we could honor those who have put in a longterm effort, rather than a citizen who happened to post a lot in the span of a month.

 

[Crimso]

I nominate you for Outstanding Citizenship, because of this wonderful idea! You got what you wanted, what now?

j/k, j/k.

 

[blackheart]

I really don't see the point of this system. We can praise someone on their good work, but give them a formal name?.. Seems rather pointless and adds more beauracracy to me.

 

[Black_Hole]

I really don't see the point of this system. We can praise someone on their good work, but give them a formal name?.. Seems rather pointless and adds more beauracracy to me.

i have to agree somewhat, it takes alot of work and no matter what you say strider, it will turn into a popularity contest

 

[KCCrusader]

It seems like a good idea, but perhaps we should award a limited number per term, or even wait until the end of the game and recognize a game-long effort rather than a few days of work.

Otherwise, everyone would be getting awards haha.

 

[invy]

Great idea! This honors should be done at the end of Demogame.
In order to avoid this as 'popularity contest' I suggest to make some legal procedures, to make new laws and to legaly establish this idea in Demogame constitution.

 

[Ashburnham]

I'm not sure about codifying this in the constitution. I think the more informal it is the better. We don't need to clutter the constitution with things like "how to pick the most improved citizen".

 

[blackheart]

Great idea! This honors should be done at the end of Demogame.
In order to avoid this as 'popularity contest' I suggest to make some legal procedures, to make new laws and to legaly establish this idea in Demogame constitution.

Not more laws . What this is is basically the Emmy's for players. People can go make their own titles for themselves if they see fit.

 

[Strider]

We could have two sets, one at the end of each term and one at the end of the DG. Anyone who is awarded a certain honor during the term is automatically nominated for the honor at the end of the demogame.

They can take part with the elections (on a smaller scale, likely in just one nomination thread to stop the spam), and the polls can run in the polls forum at the same time elections. Just makes it fairly easy to keep track of, and to run. The one's at the end of the DG can take place in the time period when were waiting for the other DG to start.

 

[Strider]

As to this turning into a Popularity contest, I don't think you know exactly how hard it was to get an honor in the pass DG's. To this date, this is a list of those who "offcially" received an honor:

Demogame #2
Disorganizer- "Die Oliven Zweige"
Stuck_as_a_Mac- "Das Kreuz Fanatikan"
Chieftess- "Die Oliven Zweige"
BCLG- "Das Kreuz Fanatikan"
Shaitan- "Die Oliven Zweige", "Das Kreuz Fanatikan"
Strider- "Das Kreuz Fanatikan"
Donsig- "Das Kreuz Fanatikan"

Demogame #1
Citizen: shaitan
Honour: purple heárt
Reason: his outstanding efforts to improve our constitution

Citzen: disorganizer
Honor: phoenátikán ztár
Reason: For his outstanding efforts with the citizen Registry and the many other things we hate him for

citizen: Shaitan
honor: Teál Krozz
Reason: He is our Foreign Affairs leader and I think he deserves this because, he is good at what he does.

citizen: falcon02
honor: immortál krozz
reason: for outstanding excellence in leading our military thru the great war to peace

Citizen: Strider
Award: Great Librarian
Reason: under his sway we have had huge gains in tech and his brilliance has made us fly through the industrial ages.

Citizen: daara
honor: phoenátikán ztár
reason: great job as historian, lots of work with little recognition

citizen: skilord
honor: purple heárt
reason: he lost his hand in duty of governing out former biggest province, then lost it while being handicaped. and now he is back!

It was not very easy to get an honor, also, if we add in a list of requirements, it would make it even harder for someone to receive an honor.

 

[Stuck_as_a_Mac]

Stuck_as_a_Mac- "Das Kreuz Fanatikan".. I wear that one with pride. I had to shift throuh loads of numbers and paperwork to get the RPG to work out with land and the bank. Oy... the agony.

 

[Strider]

Here is a low-down on what the honors are for (in a sentence format):

Military: Outstanding work with our nations military.
Domestic: Outstanding work with our nations Domestic Affairs.
Science: Outstanding work with our nations Scientific Affairs.
Trade: Outstanding work with our nations Trade Affairs
Culture: Outstanding work with Wonder development or cultural affairs.
Leadership: Outstanding work in organizing and leading fellow demogame citizens.
Judicial: Outstanding work in the Judiciary
Debate: Strong ability to win over votes for there side in a debate
Foreign Affairs: Outstanding work in our nations Foreign Affairs.
Provincial: Outstanding work in city affairs.
Outstanding Citizenship: Honor dedicated for a citizens brilliance and ideas, in all demogame affairs.
Dedication: Shows a strong dedication to demogame affairs.

Also, I was thinking that it might be best to use the old way of honoring citizens, which was that someone could be nominated for an honor any time and, if seconded, would go through the steps. This saves alot of work, and makes it harder to get an honor.

I was also thinking of the VERY old way of doing this, where each honor is ranked. IE: Someone with the Foreign Affairs honor that is ranked Oakleaves is not as honored as someone who has the Foreign Affairs Honor ranked Golden Oakleaves.

Any ideas?

 

[Civanator]

[chant] Bring it back! Bring it back! Bring it back![/chant]

 

[Strider]

Sense it seems that most people like the idea, I'll go on and create a nomination thread and ask one of the mods to sticky it.

Pretty much, the rules and everything else will be of my own making, but suggestions are welcome (Post it in this thread though).

 

[GenMarshall]

I dont like the Idea since it advocates elitism. Plus I remembered getting an honor back in Demogame 2.

 

[Strider]

I dont like the Idea since it advocates elitism. Plus I remembered getting an honor back in Demogame 2.

Actually, I think some of them were lost during the time period when the management was switching from me to Grandmaster and he disappeared. Those were the one's I found.

 

[classical_hero]

Would there be any grounds for not being able to be honoured, when they had done something wrong, and what would they have to have done wrong to ruled out of nominations?

 

[Strider]

Would there be any grounds for not being able to be honoured, when they had done something wrong, and what would they have to have done wrong to ruled out of nominations?

No, the most important people in this game has had some type of PI/CC or whatever they are called now against them (well, I haven't had one if you consider me important).

I am thinking about however having a "conduct" honor.

 

[Donovan Zoi]

OK, now how about some due process? Your puzzling beauracracy binds you to address this since it is now posted in the correct thread. Almost all the abstain votes were a vote against your system, and not against Cyc. Cyc deserves that Honor.

Originally Posted by Ashburnham
Of course Abstain isn't a "No" vote. If that's how people felt, they would vote "no" not "abstain". The abstain vote is meant to show that people have looked at the poll, thought about the issue, but have been unable to reach a final decision. Effectively, a vote of Abstain is saying "I'm not sure about this issue, I'll accept whatever decision is reached by the rest of the voters".

Counting Abstain votes as No votes is a gross misinterpretation of the WOTP. I'm not going to go as far as some (read: Donovan Zoi) in accusing Strider of a corrupting bias, but I definately feel that he is incorrectly assessing the WOTP. I also find his hostility towards those who question aspects of the Citizen Honors unnerving. There's no reason to snap at someone just because they question your decisions. If you get offended that easily, politics (even internet message board pseudo-politics) is not for you.

I wish Strider would take his pet project a little less seriously; and take it's results a little more carefully.