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City sizes and the amount they're worth

Discussion in 'Civ2 - General Discussions' started by Squirrel2004, Apr 6, 2001.

  1. Squirrel2004

    Squirrel2004 Chieftain

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    I was bored one day so I decided to find out what those population numbers really mean. I figured out all the population numbers from 1 to 100. Some of you may think it's a waste of time or there somewhere in the manual, but I needed to find the size for real cities like NYC, LA, and Chicago. Here they are:

    1 - 10,000
    2 - 30,000
    3 - 60,000
    4 - 90,000
    5 - 150,000
    6 - 210,000
    7 - 280,000
    8 - 360,000
    9 - 450,000
    10 - 550,000
    11 - 660,000
    12 - 780,000
    13 - 910,000
    14 - 1,050,000
    15 - 1,200,000
    16 - 1,360,000
    17 - 1,530,000
    18 - 1,710,000
    19 - 1,900,000
    20 - 2,100,000
    21 - 2,310,000
    22 - 2,530,000
    23 - 2,760,000
    24 - 3,000,000
    25 - 3,250,000
    26 - 3,510,000
    27 - 3,780,000
    28 - 4,060,000
    29 - 4,350,000
    30 - 4,650,000
    31 - 4,960,000
    32 - 5,280,000
    33 - 5,610,000
    34 - 5,950,000
    35 - 6,300,000
    36 - 6,660,000
    37 - 7,030,000
    38 - 7,410,000
    39 - 7,800,000
    40 - 8,200,000
    41 - 8,610,000
    42 - 9,030,000
    43 - 9,460,000
    44 - 9,900,000
    45 - 10,350,000
    46 - 10,810,000
    47 - 11,280,000
    48 - 11,760,000
    49 - 12,250,000
    50 - 12,750,000
    51 - 13,260,000
    52 - 13,780,000
    53 - 14,310,000
    54 - 14,850,000
    55 - 15,400,000
    56 - 15,960,000
    57 - 16,530,000
    58 - 17,110,000
    59 - 17,700,000
    60 - 18,300,000
    61 - 18,900,000
    62 - 19,530,000
    63 - 20,160,000
    64 - 20,800,000
    65 - 21,450,000
    66 - 22,110,000
    67 - 22,780,000
    68 - 23,460,000
    69 - 24,150,000
    70 - 24,850,000
    71 - 25,560,000
    72 - 26,280,000
    73 - 27,010,000
    74 - 27,750,000
    75 - 28,500,000
    76 - 29,260,000
    77 - 30,030,000
    78 - 30,810,000
    79 - 31,600,000
    80 - 32,400,000
    81 - 33,210,000
    82 - 34,030,000
    83 - 34,860,000
    84 - 35,700,000
    85 - 36,550,000
    86 - 37,410,000
    87 - 38,280,000
    88 - 39,160,000
    89 - 40,050,000
    90 - 40,950,000
    91 - 41,860,000
    92 - 42,780,000
    93 - 43,710,000
    94 - 44,650,000
    95 - 45,600,000
    96 - 46,560,000
    97 - 47,530,000
    98 - 48,510,000
    99 - 49,500,000
    100 - 50,500,000

    I hope this helps many of you people who would like to know what population your city has, or if your making a scenario, what size New York should be (I figured it out to be size 53 or 54 [14,645,000 people] including suburbs) What really sucks is where I live, Collinsgwood, would be a size 1 (14,000 people).

    I'll probably add an accurate list of world cities and what size they would probably be, including suburbs.

    Squirrel2004

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  2. Squirrel2004

    Squirrel2004 Chieftain

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    Ok, heres a list of the 50 largest urban centers in the world and their sizes. The U.S. Census Bureau defines an urban center as - a continious built-up area, similar to a metropolitan area, having a population density of at least 5,000 persons per square mile (1,900 per square kilometer).

    1. Tokyo/Yokohama - 77
    2. Mexico City - 74
    3. Sao Paulo - 71
    4. Seoul - 66
    5. Bombay - 55
    6. New York City - 54
    7. Osaka/Kobe/Kyoto - 53
    8. Tehran - 53
    9. Rio de Janeiro - 53
    10. Calcutta - 52
    11. Buenos Aires - 50
    12. Manila - 50
    13. Jakarta - 50
    14. Cairo - 49
    15. Lagos - 49
    16. Delhi - 48
    17. Karachi(Pakistan) - 47
    18. Moscow - 47
    19. Los Angeles - 46
    20. Lima - 43
    21. Istanbul - 42
    22. Paris - 41
    23. London - 41
    24. Taipei - 41
    25. Bogota - 39
    26. Bangkok - 38
    27. Shanghai - 38
    28. Madras(India) - 38
    29. Essen - 37
    30. Bangalore - 36
    31. Pusan - 36
    32. Chicago - 36
    33. Dhaka - 35
    34. Santiago(Chile) - 35
    35. Beijing - 34
    36. Hong Kong - 34
    37. Lahore - 34
    38. Kinshasa - 33
    39. Nagoya - 32
    40. Tianjin - 32
    41. Baghdad - 32
    42. Belo Horizonte - 32
    43. Madrid - 31
    44. Milan(Italy) - 31
    45. Barcelona - 31
    46. Ahmadabad - 31
    47. Hyderabad(India) - 30
    48. St. Petersburg - 30
    49. Shenyang - 30
    50. Ho Chin Minh City - 29

    If you don't know how to get sizes that high(70s) you have to go to effects editor and change food consumption per citizen to 1, rather than 2. This allows you populations to double. I did it and easity got up to 70, even up to 80. Next, I'll probably post 50 largest cities in USA.

    Squirrel2004

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  3. gjts00

    gjts00 Arrogant American

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    That list isn't in alphabetical order. And you left out Phoenix AZ...LOL!!!

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  4. BlueMonday

    BlueMonday Can I Kick It?

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    Salt Lake City = 18

    Man, you must really have been bored to make a list like that, no offense intended.

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  5. Squirrel2004

    Squirrel2004 Chieftain

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    No offense taken. Yeah I was bored. Friends couldn't play hockey or doing anything. Also it isn't in alphabetical order, it's in order of 1st largest world urban area to the 50th largest urban area. and, according to the U.S. 2000 census, phoenix would be somewhere around 100 or so (it's on the list of U.S. cities). They got the foreign cities from that country's government or guess from the past 50 years population growth pecent.

    Squirrel2004

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  6. Squirrel2004

    Squirrel2004 Chieftain

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    Top 50 U.S. metroploitan areas. Based on Census 2000. The Census Bureau defines a metroplitan area as - a large population nucleus with adjacent communities having a high degree of economic and social integration.

    1. Los Angeles/Long Beach - 43
    2. New York City - 41
    3. Chicago - 40
    4. Philadelphia - 31
    5. Washington, D.C. - 31
    6. Detriot - 29
    7. Houston - 28
    8. Atlanta - 28
    9. Dallas - 25
    10. Boston - 25
    11. Riverside/San Bernadino - 25
    12. Phoenix/Mesa - 24
    13. Minneapolis/St. Paul - 24
    14. San Diego - 23
    15. Orange County, CA - 23
    16. Nassau/Suffolf, NY - 23
    17. St. Louis - 22
    18. Baltimore - 22
    19. Oakland, CA - 21
    20. Seattle/Bellevue/Everett - 21
    21. Pittsburgh - 21
    22. Tampa/St. Petersburg/Clearwater - 21
    23. Cleveland/Lorain/Elyria - 21
    24. Miami - 20
    25. Denver - 20
    26. Newark, NJ - 19
    27. Portland, OR - 19
    28. Kansas City(Missouri and Kansas) - 18
    29. San Francisco - 18
    30. Fort Worth/Arlington - 18
    31. San Jose - 18
    32. Cincinnati - 18
    33. Sacramento - 17
    34. San Antonio - 17
    35. Norfolk/Virginia Beach/Newport News - 17
    36. Orlando - 17
    37. Fort Lauderdale - 17
    38. Indainapolis - 17
    39. Columbus, OH - 17
    40. Milwaukee/Waukesha - 17
    41. Charlotte/Gastonnia/Rock Hill - 17
    42. Las Vegas - 16
    43. Bergen/Passaic, NJ - 16
    44. New Orleans - 16
    45. Salt Lake City/Ogden - 16
    46. Greensboro/Winston-Salem/High Point, NC - 15
    47. Austin/San Marcos - 15
    48. Nashville - 15
    49. Hartford - 15
    50. Middlesex/Somerset/Hunterdon, NJ - 15

    Squirrel2004


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  7. R

    R Chieftain

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    Wow... what a work.

    Interesting. I live in a 10-city then.

    It follows a distinct X2 curve. Checked with Excel, only the first 5 sizes are rounded neatly to look better. The rest can be calculated quite exact like this:

    City size*City size*5000=Population


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  8. shadowdale

    shadowdale CFC Drunkard

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    The top five Danish cities:

    Copenhagen: 16
    Århus : 8
    Odense : 5
    Ålborg : 5
    Esbjerg : 4



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  9. stormerne

    stormerne Eye of the Storm Retired Moderator

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    I live in a size 1 city.
    I work in London, a size 38 city.
    Altogether "Greater London" - where there's no break in the housing - is a size 43 city.

    By contrast these are figures if you thought of a whole country as a single city...
    the whole of Sweden = size 41
    the whole of Austria = size 38
    the whole of Switzerland = size 37
    the whole of Finland = size 32
    the whole of Denmark = size 32



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  10. woke25

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    that cant be correct. The Netherlands is FAR smaller then the countries above and yet has 16 million citizens = size 56.

    I appreciate this work, its neat.

     
  11. BlueMonday

    BlueMonday Can I Kick It?

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    By R's equation the whole of the US is a size 232 city.

    c= sqrt(270000000/5000)

    c= 232.****

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  12. drake

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    I agree that this is interesting work....gives an idea of what a cities size is relative to in a game.....
     
  13. R

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    To woke23: yes it is correct, the Scandinavian countries are not very populated.

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  14. R

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    This system makes it a lot easier to compare city sizes anyways.

    Why not get a shot for the whole world's population: 6,146,560,000, according to
    www.ibiblio.org/lunarbin/worldpop

    That would be 1108 civ citizens... We're doing pretty good, wonder what the civ-rate is going to be?

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  15. FearlessLeader2

    FearlessLeader2 Fundamentalist Loon

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    Civ rate won't include a bonus for world peace, that's for sure! That aside, y'all might want to consider going outside and playing catch or just going for a walk. I love Civ as much as the next guy(it is my substitute for sex after all) but sheesh.
     
  16. stormerne

    stormerne Eye of the Storm Retired Moderator

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    It IS correct!! That's because the Netherlands are very densley populated and places like Sweden are sparsely populated. Do the research yourself and you will see.

    "each square kilometer accommodates an average of 449 people, making the Netherlands one of the most densely populated countries in the world"
    --- http://www.thehollandring.com/toen-nu.htm



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  17. GenghisK

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    Hey, that's MY native city Good job!
    BTW, I wonder if the size of the Shanghai whole district is reallly 38. Since there are 100 million citizen...

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  18. Fishheads

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    ohhhh london ontario!
    a size 8 city!


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  19. CornMaster

    CornMaster Romulan Commander Retired Moderator

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    If you hadn't of passed on that aquduct you could be bigger <IMG SRC="http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/wink.gif" border=0>

    All of Newfoundland, Canada. Size 9!!!! WWHHHOOO!!!!!

    St. John's (110,000)/Mount Pearl (25,000) /Ghoulds + Paradise (5,000)= Size 5 (150,000) (Really = 140,000) (All same area)
    Gander (International Airport) = Size 1 (10,000) (Really = 12,500)
    Corner Brook (And surronding areas) = Size 2 (30,000) (Really = 22,000)

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    The town I'm originally from (Lived there for 12 years):
    Summerford (1,100) = Size .11


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  20. Squirrel2004

    Squirrel2004 Chieftain

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    You've all made me happy. I spent all that work one boring day to do this. At first nobody responded, but now 18 people have. I guess I should post more cities and stuff. Look above, I updated the American metros.

    Squirrel2004

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