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City-State Perma-Friends

Discussion in 'Civ5 - General Discussions' started by Jacksonology, Jul 4, 2012.

  1. Jacksonology

    Jacksonology Chieftain

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    First time poster, long time lurker here. Just wanted to chip in with a useful thing I found when playing today. Now I'm only a Prince player, so I don't claim that the following has any viability on the higher difficulties.

    So it all started when I decided to take Greece for a spin in G&K, and naturally I chose to exploit Alexander's UA. This being G&K, I made an attempt to weave religion into my strategy. That's when I came across the Papal Primacy Founder Belief, which increases the City-State Influence resting point by +15 if your religion is the majority in that City-State. Combined with the Aesthetics policy in the Patronage tree, this pushes the Influence resting point past the friends threshold of 30, hence, perma-friends. This is further enhanced by Alex's UA combined with the Patronage starter which brings the influence decay down to a paltry 0.25 points/turn. To add to that, if they follow your religion, that influence decay is reduced to 0.
     
  2. Wuddel

    Wuddel Warlord

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    Yeah I really need to try him. I wonder how the AI will react. Near to the UN vote they will kill CS but before?
     
  3. nefloyd

    nefloyd King

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    I pointed this out in a thread (though nobody commented) but if you have Papal Primacy and Aesthetics, you can actually become friends with city-states you haven't even met if your religion spreads to them out in the fog of war
     
  4. Barghaest

    Barghaest King

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    Yeah, and Pledging to Protect adds another 10 to the minimum influence... so with Papal Primacy and Patronage you have a minimum resting point of 45... not too hard to get/maintain Ally after that.
     
  5. Bad Wolf

    Bad Wolf King

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    Yeah, Patronage + Pledge to protect will perma-friend everybody also, I've found that very useful, but I didn't realize there was a way to get 0 influence decay, holy crap!
     
  6. Harv72b

    Harv72b Prince

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    Just for grins I fired up a Greece game on settler the other night. Beelined to get my religion and open the Patronage tree; by 425 AD I was getting messages that my influence had increased to friend level...

    ...With city states I hadn't even met yet.

    I got bored with the game & quit out around 1000 AD, but by that point I was allied to every CS on the map & had spent a grand total of 1500 gold to achieve/maintain that.
     
  7. TheMarshmallowBear

    TheMarshmallowBear Benelovent Chieftain of the BearKingdom

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    This doesn't affect UN vote at all, because you need to be Allies in order for them to vote you, but even then, you only need about 20 more points with influence which you can easily buy it with gold.
     
  8. nefloyd

    nefloyd King

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    nobody reads my posts!
     
  9. Denkt

    Denkt Left permamently

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    I think perma friends with city states could be as most potent then playing as Siam because their bouns should make it like you had 50% more friendly city-states (military ones excluded if Im corectly).
     
  10. stlh2opolo

    stlh2opolo Chieftain

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    True, but remember: you have to be allies to receive the bonus goods from the UA.
     
  11. Harv72b

    Harv72b Prince

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    type louder! :d
     
  12. Jacksonology

    Jacksonology Chieftain

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    I crossposted him to another board.
     
  13. Siggy_23

    Siggy_23 Chieftain

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    Can you corroborate that? because the UA reads "Food, Culture and Faith from friendly City-States increased by 50%"

    emphasis mine, but it seems like you should get the bonus to the "friends" rewards as well as the "allies" reward
     
  14. nefloyd

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    You do get 50% bonus culture, food, and faith from the respective City-States when they are at friendly. I believe he is pointing out that the Mercantile states only give their unique resource (jewelry, porcelain etc.) when they are Allies. Not sure what that has to do with Siam.
     
  15. Wuddel

    Wuddel Warlord

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    Well, that was not my question. Last time i tried Diplomatic victory all the AI Civ turned on the CS in their vincinity and started killing my allies.
     
  16. Huaojozu

    Huaojozu Warlord

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    Play Siam, pledge to protect every CS you meet (+10 Resting Point), open and take a Policy in Patronage (total + 30 Resting Point) and become Friends with everyone without taking a bad, bad, bad founder belief.
     
  17. RealHuhn

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    I agree. The founder belief isn't that great, at least on higher difficulties, just because it's much harder to get and maintain a dominant religion.
     
  18. stlh2opolo

    stlh2opolo Chieftain

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    Really? I could have SWORN that back in vanilla, you had to be allies. I remember a siam game where I was getting the same amount of culture as normal when only friendly. Interesting.

    My bad.
     

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