City tile limits questions

[rookie]

Hello,

I have played this game non stop for two weeks now. I still have a few questions.

It seems you can only work tiles up to 3 tiles form the city tile. Is this correct?
The city culture allows the city limts to expand much further than this though. I recently placed a science academy and workshop 4 and five tiles from the city and it seems I wasted a Great Scientist and Great Engineer. Why let the city limits expand if you cant work the tiles?

Can resources be gathered 4 or 5 tiles away?

Can workboats gather from tiles 4 or 5 tiles away?

Thanks in advance

Moderator Action: Rather a basic question and not related to strategy -> moved to "General Discussion".

 

[Browd]

Correct on 3 tiles. The 4th and 5th ring serve a number of purposes, but, yes, you can improve strategic resources and luxuries in the outer rings to make them available for use and trading (and for luxuries, happiness), but cannot assign a citizen to work those tiles, so no tile yields -- just the resource. So, you did waste those great persons, but learned something, so it's not a total loss.

 

[rookie]

Thank you,

I kind of came to the same conclusion myself. I ended up with a city with 40 population and 215 production. This was the biggest city I have built so far. Had a cultural win with the Iroquoi. I think I may have underestimated the loghouse and forested tile combination. It seemed to give me more production than any of the other civs I have used so far.

 

[dslartoo]

Why let the city limits expand if you cant work the tiles?

Can workboats gather from tiles 4 or 5 tiles away?

Browd answered most of your queries but I wanted to answer these. Your cultural borders can indeed expand past the tiles the city can actually work. Why do you want that? Why, because the larger your territory is, the harder it is for enemy civs to go wandering through said territory (unless you have an Open Borders agreement with them).

You can plant a workboat more than three tiles away but you won't get any benefit from it, since your citizens can't work that tile, so that would be a waste of a workboat.

Hope this helps!

cheers,
Phil

 

[Browd]

Agree, but on workboats if the WB is going to improve a sea-based luxury (whales, crab, etc.) or oil, it works the same as other resources and luxuries in rings 4 and 5 -- you get the resource, but not the tile yield.

 

[Freger]

Like the other said you can't get turn yeild from 4th and 5th tile per city, but you can use it for forts and citadels. And with the great wall a city with all tiles available basicly can't be taken. also tiles give points and other civs cant pass through without open borders

 

[dslartoo]

Agree, but on workboats if the WB is going to improve a sea-based luxury (whales, crab, etc.) or oil, it works the same as other resources and luxuries in rings 4 and 5 -- you get the resource, but not the tile yield.

Oh yeah. I should have made this clear. If you plant a workboat on fish outside your 3-tile limit, THAT won't get you anything at all.

cheers,
Phil

 

[rookie]

Thanks all.

 

[Sean.Mcd]

Okay, Now I'm confused.
I've been playing for a while, and this is the first I've heard of this. Are you guys basically saying that if the tile isn't in your city borders you get no yield? That is something I already knew. However, are you saying you can only assign workers and receive yield from tiles no further than 3 away from your city?
OR are you saying you can improve and work tiles that are not in your city? I did not think this was the case

 

[Yaezakura]

Okay, Now I'm confused.
I've been playing for a while, and this is the first I've heard of this. Are you guys basically saying that if the tile isn't in your city borders you get no yield? That is something I already knew. However, are you saying you can only assign workers and receive yield from tiles no further than 3 away from your city?
OR are you saying you can improve and work tiles that are not in your city? I did not think this was the case

Your city can grow out to a radius of up to 5 tiles from the city tile itself. However, you can only assign citizens to tiles up to 3 tiles away from the city tile. So the 4th and 5th tiles cannot be worked. You will receive any improved luxury/strategic resources inside those tiles, but not any actual tile yields, since citizens cannot work them.

 

[Sean.Mcd]

I NEVER knew that. Holy Cow. I feel like I've been able to place the workers on those tiles though. So after 5 tiles your city will not get any bigger? Is that the max city size? OH! Is that why I can only purchase tiles so far out?

MAN I thought I knew all about this game. I've literally been playing since it came out. I feel like a moron.

 

[Mystz0r]

This game is so complex, that you'll keep learning little tid-bits however long you play. Remember the difference between workers (who can be placed anywhere on the map, as they improve tiles) and citizens (who are not units, but rather work inside a city).

 

[Tr4shman]

I read this stuff nad learned alot.. Ive been grumbling over this for som time
I just have a additional qustion: For example i have a gold mine 4 tiles outside city, and i choose the phanteon belief 1+ cilture and 1+ faith for each gold and silver.. Based on what you described in the thread, i guess i wont get the cuture and faith bonus ? only the gold resource to trade ? but then again, since I got the gold, i should be able to get the bonus because it is not the tile, but hte gold that gives me the bonus...

Plz help

Best regards
trashman

 

[Browd]

You only get the pantheon belief benefits if you assign a citizen to work the gold tile. In fact, the tile doesn't have to be improved, just worked by a citizen.

So, for a gold tile in ring 4 or 5, you will never get the +1 culture/+1 faith, even if you have improved the gold tile and are able to trade the gold.

 

[Hyperion529]

i'd like to add on this topic that you only get the bonus to wonder production from marble if the marble is within the workable 3 tiles of your city. and resources that, once improved, grant the ability to built certain buildings (like horses for a circus or iron for a forge) also have to be within the 3-tile-radius to do so. you don't have to actually work the tiles and can even sell the stuff, but it must be in 3 tile range.
learned that the hard way through poor occ city placement

 

[Tr4shman]

Tnx gyus ! This is very helpful..

And yeah Mystzo0r, the game IS complex, andIi love it

This game is so complex, that you'll keep learning little tid-bits however long you play. Remember the difference between workers (who can be placed anywhere on the map, as they improve tiles) and citizens (who are not units, but rather work inside a city).