Civ specific Dawn of Man

[AbsintheRed]

@rrosen: Thanks, these are great!
In those spawns where the LH you play with isn't the same as the historical leader of your civ, we can just leave out the leader name.
The leaders are in the game to be your enemies after all
These short texts are there to welcome the player, and should be adressed to him above anything else
So the texts should be the same way you did with France and Burgundy, or the way I modified Merijn's Dutch text

EDIT: updated 1st post with the current text proposals

 

[ezzlar]

I think we should watch out for texts implying that one or two nations are a major threat since when you spawn they might be collapsed or feeble. Or that you are about to adopt a certain religion.

I still like the "hints" but they should be more generally written.

 

[Wessel V1]

I agree. Burgundy will not face a France as strong as they were in reality, and will not likely be a split off. I think that the direction in general is good though so keep it up!

 

[ezzlar]

New suggestion for Sweden:

"It is the year 1523 AD. After rebelling against the Kalmar union and uniting Sweden under a hereditary monarchy it is time to claim your rightfully place as ruler over the Baltic sea. Surrounded by mighty rivals, success can only be achieved by superior military and tactics. The time has come to build a great nation based on the true Lutheran faith!"

Old text:
"It is the year 1523 AD. After the outrages of the Stockholm Bloodbath, commited by the Danish king Kristian the Tyrant, you, Gustav Vasa, have lead a daring peasant rebellion to restore independence. The time is ripe for you to assert national sovereignty. One way, as Olaus Petri keeps imploring you, is to break the ties with Rome and build a national church based on the true, Lutheran faith."

Feel free to mix!

 

[Sian]

I like Ezzlar's much better than rrosen since its less contoversial (calling Christian II a tyrant for one)

 

[rrosen]

The idea was to put the mood of player into what was the prevailing one of the leader and nation. Christian II of Denmark is widely referred to as Christian the Tyrant in Swedish culture. Furthermore, we have a persistent myth that the Danes refer to him as Christian the Good, further exacerbating our different opinions of him.

 

[AbsintheRed]

I think we should watch out for texts implying that one or two nations are a major threat since when you spawn they might be collapsed or feeble. Or that you are about to adopt a certain religion.

I still like the "hints" but they should be more generally written.

I agree
@ezzlar, rrosen
Is this a good mix for both of you?
"It is the year %s1_year. After the outrages of the Stockholm Bloodbath, you, %s3_leader, have lead the %s2_civ people into a rebbelion against the Kalmar union, succesfully uniting Sweden under a hereditary monarchy.[NEWLINE][NEWLINE]Now it's time to claim your rightfully place as ruler over the Baltic sea. Surrounded by mighty rivals, success can only be achieved by superior military and tactics. One way is the break the ties with Rome and build a great nation based on the true Lutheran faith!"

 

[rrosen]

From the Sweidsh point of view, the Kalmar Union didn't really exist anymore, it was a question of challenging Danish domination. So if it is ok, I would like to not have references to the Kalmar Union.

 

[3Miro]

I like Ezzlar's much better than rrosen since its less contoversial (calling Christian II a tyrant for one)

I always thought that one of the weaknesses of the the original BtS and RFC is the political correctness of many of their elements. I am not going for political correctness here, in fact I think controversy is good.

There is hardly a leader that cannot be called both a hero and a tyrant, this is the Medieval Mod after all. If a king wins a war, he is a hero for the victors and a tyrant for the defeated and everybody should understand this. If the Swedes called Christian II a Tyrant and he was a major reason for them to split form the Kalmar Union, then writing it in the text is 100% OK.

 

[AbsintheRed]

"It is %s1_year, a couple years after the outrages of the Stockholm Bloodbath, commited by the Danish king Kristian the Tyrant. You, %s3_leader, have lead a rebellion since to restore independence, succesfully uniting Sweden under your rule.[NEWLINE][NEWLINE]Now it's time to claim your rightfully place as ruler over the Baltic sea. Contested in this by mighty rivals, success can only be achieved by superior military and tactics. One way is to break the ties with Rome and build a great nation based on the true Lutheran faith!"

 

[rrosen]

I like it, but could we also include ezzlars suggestion to have the hereditary monarchy change. Before Gustav Vasa it was elected kings, afterwards only hereditary.

"It is %s1_year, a couple years after the outrages of the Stockholm Bloodbath, commited by the Danish king Kristian the Tyrant. You, %s3_leader, have lead a rebellion since to restore independence, succesfully uniting Sweden under a hereditary monarchy.[NEWLINE][NEWLINE]Now it's time to claim your rightfully place as ruler over the Baltic sea. Contested in this by mighty rivals, success can only be achieved by superior military and tactics. One way is to break the ties with Rome and build a great nation based on the true Lutheran faith!"

 

[civ_king]

If a civ is breaking off from some one I think it's fine to call them evil and a tyrant, after all every American knows George III was an evil tyrant

 

[AbsintheRed]

I like it, but could we also include ezzlars suggestion to have the hereditary monarchy change. Before Gustav Vasa it was elected kings, afterwards only hereditary.

No prob, any other suggestions for this?
If not let's move on, and post some other civ's DoM texts already

 

[civ_king]

You should list the civs that still need texts in the OP

 

[AbsintheRed]

You should list the civs that still need texts in the OP

Listing the ones that we already have suggestions for isn't enough?

 

[merijn_v1]

Listing the ones that we already have suggestions for isn't enough?

It's also useful to have a list of the ones that we still haven't, so people don't have to check if there is already one made. With the list, they can immidiatly see which one still don't have one.

 

[AbsintheRed]

Alright, if you guy really think it's needed
Added the list to the end of the first post

 

[rrosen]

Cordoba:
It is the year 711. You can hardly believe your luck. The stupid followers of the deposed Visiogothic king Womba actually invited you and your fellow muslims over the straits of Gibraltar. With the reigning Visiogothic king Rod defeated through trechary, it was an easy matter to seize full control with the help of the persecuted jews. Now you can build a rich and happy Caliphate, full of poetry, art and religious toleration!

Arabs:
"It is the year 635. The prophet Muhammed, peace be upon him, accomplished what no one thought was possible - uniting the tribes of Arabia. You, Abu Bakr, has been chosen to succeed him as Caliph and expand the House of Islam. After a devastating war with Sassanid Persia and raging religious controversies between Chalcedonians and Monophysities, the land of the Byzantine Empire is ripe for conquest. There will be many centuries to build up your forces before the western crusaders cast their gaze towards al-Quds"

Note: Do we want to include the warning about the crusader attacks for the Arabs? If so, should we call it al-Quds or Jerusalem?

Venice:
"It is the year 810. Fleeing the onslaught of the barbarian Lombards, your people and the remnants of the Byzantine Exarchate of Ravenna have settled on the inaccessible islands in the lagoon. The recent agreement between Charlemange of the Franks and emperor Nicephorus in Constantinople means that you will be left alone for the time being. There has never been a better opportunity to build a rich trading empire that will dominate the seas!"

Norse:
"It is the year 780. The winters in Scandinavia are harsh, but have bred a sturdy people and your longships are the envy of any sailor. Now, far away Vinland, the coast of Normandy and the rich monastery of Lindisfarne beckons. Be bold, be swift, be strong, and the halls of Valhalla will await you!"

Bulgaria:
"It is the year 680. After the catastrophic defeat inflicted by the Khazars, you and 50 000 followers have fled from Old Great Bulgaria north of the Black Sea. After smashing a Byzantine army in the battle of Ongal in the Danube delta, they have been forced to recognise the Bulgarian Empire. Never again shall the Bulgars be forced from their homes!"

Germans:
"It is the year 858. The great Frankish inheritance have irrevocably been split into three, with the eastern part going to you. As the Byzantine Empress Irene rejected Charlemange's marriage proposal, you should instead build a Holy Roman Empire for yourself!"

 

[rrosen]

Kiev:
"It is the year 880. Although attributed to some weakling God, it was the mighty walls of Constantinople that hampered your attack in 866. You have now found it more profitable to settle down with your fellow Swedish vikings and establish yourselves as a local elite, selling the local slav population as slaves. Life is good, the land is fertile, and perhaps it is time to seek more peaceful and profitable exchange with the Byzantines?"

 

[Morholt]

Kiev:
"It is the year 880. Although attributed to some weakling God, it was the mighty walls of Constantinople that hampered your attack in 866. You have now found it more profitable to settle down with your fellow Swedish vikings and establish yourselves as a local elite, selling the local slav population as slaves. Life is good, the land is fertile, and perhaps it is time to seek more peaceful and profitable exchange with the Byzantines?"

This is probably quite offensive to Russians. Tsarist era Russian historians tended to play up the Viking influence on Russia since it added legitimacy to the ruling class. The more modern view is of the Russian princedoms arising from Russians, with little political influence from outside. And there certainly were "settled" cities in Russia before 880.