I could ask the same of you, Carewolf, because its sounding like you are playing Civ3-not Civ4. I have rarely seen AI civs being more than cautious with each other at the start of the game-and the exceptions to this are few and far between. As I said, I have also seen a number of AI vs AI wars occur, and equally seen AI's be good friends as well. I have managed to maintain good relations with civs without the need to resort to anything except being sensible-a willingness to enter into resource and tech trades, attempting to change their civics or religion et al (oh, and I have managed to get many civs to adopt a new civic and/or religion-though it is VERY hard to do the latter if the civ in question has a religion that IT founded.) What I think is that you are seeing only what you want to believe about the AI's-a common tendancy if you are not doing well. Yours, Aussie_Lurker.