Civ4 shows liberal bias?

[Sorceresss]

strange political debate you us-guys are having

I'm a girl. I must admit if find this debate "strange", to say the least.

 

[Turner]

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[sirnate]

Republicans and Democrats may wear different shirts, but they are playing the same game.[/QUOTE]

I also stated this, but to think that what you end up with at the end of the is some Socialist Utopia, no it's never going to happen.

This World will never have perfect equality. As the world globalizes Power and Control become global also. Look at the IMF and the World Bank. Just because you may want your world in Civ to Flurish do you really think thats what the leaders in the real world want? Go ahead give them more power and see what happens. Don't you realize Welfare is just a way to enslave the poor? How about job training! Welfare just makes a bunch a people DEPENDANT on the Government! Freedom is the Opposite Being independant from the government.

I would rather take the slow road to hell.... The Republicans.

 

[Bain]

why oh why is there no single international GAMING forum left that doesn't have its share of halfinformed neoconservafascists whining for compassion and shouting hate towards everything they deem unpatriotic?

At least your Senate failed to pass the patriot act, maybe there's hope for you now.


and if anything, Civ4 is a very sexist game. There's NO SINGLE female GP

 

[Xenocrates]

I just thought of something and have learned a LOT about US politics on this forum:

Conservative = Fascist

Liberal = Communist

Democracy = government of the deranged by the deranged

War = peace

Freedom = slavery

Work = freedom

Civfanatics forum is better for education than any university!

 

[CurtSibling]

Civ4 shows liberal bias?

I can see it now!

Legions of Ted Nugent-type morons in Kansas, burning piles of CIV4 games...
Then being poisoned by a flume of chemical-filled smog from the packaging!

 

[jar2574]

Liberals are to Communists as Conservatives are to Fascists. Neither are accurate portrayals of the opposing viewpoint.

Some libs may be atheist, may favor the recent Court ruling threatening private property, and favor high taxes. Others just don't like the government snooping around people's private lives, and are libs because they are libertarians.

Some cons may favor near absolute power for the Fuhrer, and may favor the right to freedom of contract over minimum wages. Others just don't like the government allowing abortions and are conservative as a result of their moral beliefs.

To categorize all liberals or conservatives one way or another is inane.

 

[sirnate]

At least your Senate failed to pass the patriot act, maybe there's hope for you now.[/QUOTE]

Maybe, hopefully we'll stop pretecting you weakings!

I'm not surprised some Europeans see the US Constitution as something evil that they have to call "Fascist" considering how the Child is stronger than the parent.

Fascist: "An Italian organization formed to oppose Bolshevism, Communism, and Socialism in all there forms" - Websters Dictonary

So then calling all anti-socialist "fascist" would you not be calling Western Europe during the Cold War "Fascist"?

Or like I said maybe you would have like Soviet Occupation (without the US it would have happened)

 

[bhsup]

It's a GAME, people. Nothing more, nothing less. Sure, it's the best computer game ever devised, but it's still just a game.

That said, Dan Quayle really has gotten a bum rap over the years. I personally would have placed Neville Chamberlain at the bottom.

 

[Babbler]

This thread is just... odd.

 

[Sexton]

So then Abolishing Religion - So Do Liberals, after all thier fighting to take the word GOD out of the National Anthiem of the US. It's clear the Liberal want a State Religon, Atheism

Oh my God how can you be so black and white?!! If someone wants a government that leaves the matters of religion to be handled individually it doesn't automatically mean they want the constitution to state that there is no religion at all!
If someone wants to enhance the social security and healthcare systems it doesn't automatcally mean they are socialists.
I think you ought to read some Aristotle on how things can be considered to be the best between the two extreme ends.

 

[sirnate]

Liberals are to Communists as Conservatives are to Fascists. Neither are accurate portrayals of the opposing viewpoint.

Some libs may be atheist, may favor the recent Court ruling threatening private property, and favor high taxes. Others just don't like the government snooping around people's private lives, and are libs because they are libertarians.

Some cons may favor near absolute power for the Fuhrer, and may favor the right to freedom of contract over minimum wages. Others just don't like the government allowing abortions and are conservative as a result of their moral beliefs.

To categorize all liberals or conservatives one way or another is inane.

Maybe so, but do you think that this is the think of the politicans? They're Ideals are set in stone. 2 Visions for the world or Maybe one same vision?
it does not matter what the people favor! The goal is for Control!

Do you really think that there is a Politican or Leader that wants less power?
We're just witnessing the power becoming Global.

I think everyone will find this out when they have over their national Sovergnty to global organization. Go ahead so what happens when the UN's Court overrules your National Laws. What happens when there is an International Ban on Guns? (remember hitler has to ban guns before sending people to the concentration camps).

In the US the founding Fathers Stated that the People have the Right to own arms to protect ourselves FROM THE GOVERNMENT! I find it funny that the Libs want to ban guns so badly.

So many excuses yet it's plain as day, They can't fully control people who can fight back.

 

[skadistic]

Seeing all the left bashing righties and right bashing leftists makes me feel real good that I'm a true centrist Whig.

Do you people even relize how foolish you look taking one side or the other. It only makes things worse. Try this one time and see how good it works: COMPROMIZE. Both sides have +s and -s but your to damn blinded by your arrogance to work it out and get the best outcome for everyone.

Now as for the global warming thing. Does human activity do some effect to the over all climate? Yes but just a little. Was it humans that caused the record high temps. ( higher then now )during the middle ages? If globle warming is as bad as many say why was Al Gore giving his speach on the coldest day in many years lasr winter? Why is the northern midwest of america having record cold days this winter? Did you know when Mt. Pinotoba (sp?) blew its top the worlds average temp. went down? Nature has a far greater impact on climat then man does.

The U.S. consitution does not say all men are given rights by some god and the gov. It say rights are endowed by a creater. They porpusly left the word god out. I for one was not created by some mythical god but by the insemination of a females seed by a males sperm.

Nucaler ( as said by Bush )power is not the safest most efficant power source. Solar power is. If every house and building had some solar panels on it the world could greatly reduce the amount of fossil fuels used daily.

Dan Quial may be an idiot but he never said anything as destructive as Carter has in the last few years regarding how America is evil under bush. Carter should just stick to building houses and quietly fawning over Castro.

The real life UN is a joke with no power and moral standing ( see the rapes in Africa, Oil for food ect...) In the game it is far to over powered with no way of thumbing you nose at it. Nations buck the UN all the time ( Sudan, Iran, Iraq, somalia ) and nothing happens until the U.S. is called in far to late to clean up the mess.

Ask some Eastern block people who was a better presidant FDR who let the USSR take over their land and enslave them or Reagon who toppeled the wall and freed them.

Religion in the game isn't perfect but it's a step in a more complete game. With the comunisn tech. there should be a no religion option.

 

[jar2574]

Maybe, hopefully we'll stop pretecting you weakings!

Dude, seriously. If it wasn't in the USA's interest to protect Western Europe then the USA wouldn't have it. It was (and is) in our economic interest to help create a larger market for our exports. That's what the Marshall Plan was all about.

I'm not surprised some Europeans see the US Constitution as something evil that they have to call "Fascist" considering how the Child is stronger than the parent.

What does evil have to do with strength?

Fascist: "An Italian organization formed to oppose Bolshevism, Communism, and Socialism in all there forms" - Websters Dictonary

Yes...

So then calling all anti-socialist "fascist" would you not be calling Western Europe during the Cold War "Fascist"?

No. Just because an Italian organization was formed to oppose socialism does not mean that all organizations formed to oppose socialism are fascist. That was nowhere in the definition you just gave.

Easy mistake to make though, huh.

Or like I said maybe you would have like Soviet Occupation (without the US it would have happened)

Because without the big strong USA the Soviets would have defeated the Nazis and taken over all of Western Europe? OK. Maybe your argument should be that without the big strong USA Western Europe would still be Nazi.

Just a suggestion...

 

[sirnate]

I think you ought to read some Aristotle on how things can be considered to be the best between the two extreme ends.[/QUOTE]

Yeah? I bet your opinion changes as poll numbers do, or whatever the nightly news tells you your opinion should be or maybe whichever way the wind is blowing?

My Extreme is Just a government that operates within the Constitution! That's Pretty extreme right there! Yeah ya know Jefferson, Adams and the rest of them big Extremist Fascist!

 

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3. Let's make nuclear power plants useless by having them melt down every few turns. Anyone ever played a game with 10 or so cities, every one of which had a nuclear plant? Enough said. It's simple fact that modern nuclear plants are the safest and most reliable source of energy there is.

Fusion should make nuclear plants not melt down; this is how it worked in Civ1.

 

[jar2574]

Do you really think that there is a Politican or Leader that wants less power?

Not very many. So why would an American politician want to empower the UN in a manner that would shrink his or her power?

I think everyone will find this out when they have over their national Sovergnty to global organization. Go ahead so what happens when the UN's Court overrules your National Laws. What happens when there is an International Ban on Guns? (remember hitler has to ban guns before sending people to the concentration camps).

Will never happen. The Supreme Court is the ultimate arbiter of the USA laws. It will not cede power to the UN Court.

In the US the founding Fathers Stated that the People have the Right to own arms to protect ourselves FROM THE GOVERNMENT! I find it funny that the Libs want to ban guns so badly.

When this global conspiracy you worry about so much comes to pass, I hope that your collection of guns protects you from the M1 Abrams, the Tomahawk missles, and the F-16 jets at the governments disposal. Good luck.

So many excuses yet it's plain as day, They can't fully control people who can fight back.

Yes. USA politicans want to cede power to the UN, so that the UN can outlaw guns, and so that the USA army can then subjugate its citizens. I see your point clearly now.

 

[sirnate]

No. Just because an Italian organization was formed to oppose socialism does not mean that all organizations formed to oppose socialism are fascist. That was nowhere in the definition you just gave.

Right!!!! That was my Point, To call Conservatives Fascist because of being anti-Socialist is Incorrect. That you.

 

[Sexton]

I bet your opinion changes as poll numbers do, or whatever the nightly news tells you your opinion should be or maybe whichever way the wind is blowing?

So you can read minds now? Dude that bashing is begining to be a bit

Edit: And if you failed to see it, I was not saying that your opinions are extreme...

 

[Thalassicus]

This was a pretty reasonable discussion until SirNate joined in

I also find it suspicious how your first post was in this thread

I think everything that can be said has been said...it was interesting up to when certain people just started throwing veiled insults around