Shadowclaimer
Chieftain
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- Oct 27, 2010
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Alright so to begin this post, the reason "concept" is in the tag is because 1. I figure there is probably already a staff working on such a mod, and 2. I don't want to jump the gun, do the research and heavy work, and get people all excited for a mod that I am not 100% behind just yet. I've been doing heavy research and work on the idea, been laying out some groundwork and mechanics notes, but I have yet to touch the files themselves in relation to this.
Could I end up starting a team for this mod? Possibly.
Should you get your hopes up? I would prefer you didn't.
This post is moreso an discussion post, what would YOU like to see out of a Three Kingdoms era mod, I'll be posting my original findings and changes and mechanics that would be overhauled for anyone to discuss, and anyone is welcome to add their own bits to this discussion, this is very round table, and very open, because I enjoy this kinda discussion.
Alright shall we begin then?
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Concept
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This mod would be an entire overhaul of Civilization V to fit into the Three Kingdoms Era of Chinese History. The Three Kingdoms Era was a time of turmoil when the Han Dynasty fell and three "Kingdoms" (Actually Empires technically) rose up in its place and began feuding over the entirety of the nation.
This era entered the popular culture when software publishers Koei used the book "Romance of the Three Kingdoms" as the basis for two separate series of games. The Romance however is very romanticized (No pun intended), one quote I've read stated it consists of "70% fact, 20% exaggeration, and 10% fiction" and I've seen those ratios adjusted here and there. I will be in fact pursuing the Romanticized version of this text if I do pursue this, albeit I will be doing a much farther stepped down one (I don't know if I'll include Sorcery for example, I will be basing some information roughly on fictional accounts of the era, etc.) I will also be going with the extended version of the timeline (beginning at the Yellow Turban Rebellion).
This era divided China into Three Factions:
Shu Han - Led by Liu Bei, Shu Han (Also referred to as just "Shu") sought to restore the former Han to its previous glory and end the turmoil that was pervading China. In the later years Shu would be passed down to Liu Bei's son, Liu Shan, after his father's death.
Cao Wei - The basis for Cao Wei (Als referred to as just "Wei) was laid down by a man known as Cao Cao, the former Imperial Chancellor. He owned and conquered/swayed most of the northern territories behind his cause and declared him "King of Wei", albeit his reign was short lived and his son, Cao Pi, attempted to finish what his father had started.
Eastern Wu - During the turmoil that was the fall of the Han Dynasty, Sun Quan was a warlord who had inherited a large amount of land in the south from his brother, Sun Ce. He had no intention of starting his own Kingdom, but seeing the succession of both Shu Han and Cao Wei, he declared his own dynasty, the Wu Dynasty. It would be the longest lasting of the Three Kingdoms.
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Overview
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-Implementation of an entirely new unit tree that will pervade the game. Units will begin as Recruits, and will use Promotions to change themselves into bigger and better units.
-Cities begin pre-placed, so no settling new cities. You will have to develop your own cities/provinces and conquer or subdue your neighbors into following you to expand your Empire.
-Great People are combat units, Great Generals (Officers) will lead your men into battle and help assist you in conquering your foes. Great Scientists will be replaced with Strategists, who will provide bonuses to nearby allies and have a variety of tools available to them.
-The Social Policy system will be replaced with a "Succession" system, as you progress throughout the game you will accumulate "Deeds" or "Influence" which will allow you to rise up the ladder and eventually declare yourself Divine Emperor (Cultural Victory)
-Unhappiness and Unrest will cause rebellions amongst your people, keep them happy, or you may find your rebellion is ended by another rebellion.
-Some provinces will be led by a City-State like Governor that is not part of any other kingdom, they will have to be swayed or conquered.
-To be honest, I'm completely unsure what to do with technology.
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Units
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*This unit tree is a major work in progress.
*Mounted is a unit promotion you can choose upon a unit leveling up (or by having a Stable), this promotion increases a units move range but also makes them more susceptible to attacks from spear using units.
*Siege units will be available as well, ranging from Catapults to Rams.
*There will be other unit trees available as well, this is the Imperial line, for example there will be a Pirate tree of units you may get access to by befriending a certain city state, or a Nanman tree.
Recruit
-Infantry
--Guard
---Imperial Guard
--Swordsman
---Swordmaster
-Spearman
--Pikeman
---Halberdier
--Long Spearman
---Lancer
-Bowman
--Archer
---Marksman
--Crossbowman
---Arbalest
Recruit
Offense: Low
Defense: Low
Movement: Average
Light Armor, Single Spear, low cost, with various promotions they can become Infantry, Spearmen, or Bowmen.
Infantry
Offense: Low
Defense: Average
Movement: Average
Light Armor, Single Sword, minor Defense vs Ranged Attacks, can be promoted into a Guard or Mercenary
Guard
Offense: Average
Defense: Above Average
Movement: Below Average
Medium Armor, Single Sword and Shield, Defense vs Ranged Attacks, can be promoted into an Imperial Guard
Imperial Guard
Offense: Average
Defense: Exceptional
Movement: Below Average
Heavy Armor, Dao and Tower Shield, Heavy Defense vs Ranged Attacks, balanced stats otherwise
Swordsman
Offense: Above Average
Defense: Below Average
Movement: Above Average
Light Armor, Scimitar, high offense but low defense, can be promoted into a Swordmaster
Swordmaster
Offense: Exceptional
Defense: Below Average
Movement: Above Average
Medium Armor, Scimitar and Buckler, high offense and movement but low defense
Spearman
Offense: Average
Defense: Below Average
Movement: Average
Light Armor, Spear, minor bonuses vs Mounted Units, can be promoted into a Pikeman or Long Spearman
Pikeman
Offense: Above Average
Defense: Below Average
Movement: Average
Medium Armor, Pike, Bonus Damage vs Armored Units, can be promoted into a Halberdier
Halberdier
Offense: Exceptional
Defense: Below Average
Movement: Average
Medium Armor, Halberd and Buckler, Heavy Bonus Damage vs Armored Units
Long Spearman
Offense: Above Average
Defense: Below Average
Movement: Average
Medium Armor, Long Spear, Bonus Damage vs Mounted Units, can be promoted into a Lancer
Lancer
Offense: Exceptional
Defense: Below Average
Movement: Average
Medium Armor, Long Spear and Shield, Heavy Bonus Damage vs Mounted Units
Bowman
Offense: Below Average
Defense: Low
Movement: Above Average
Light Armor, Bow, 2 Tile Ranged Attack, can be promoted into an Archer or Crossbowman
Archer
Offense: Average
Defense: Below Average
Movement: Above Average
Medium Armor, Bow, 2 Tile Ranged Attack, can be promoted into a Marksman
Marksman
Offense: Above Average
Defense: Below Average
Movement: Above Average
Medium Armor, Bow, 2 Tile Ranged Attack
Crossbowman
Offense: Above Average
Defense: Average
Movement: Low
Medium Armor, Crossbow, 3 Tile Ranged Attack (Requires setup), can be promoted into an Arbalest
Arbalest
Offense: Exceptional
Defense: Average
Movement: Low
Medium Armor, Crossbow, 3 Tile Ranged Attack (Requires setup)
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Buildings
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Buildings
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*Just started this section
Palisade - Lowers damage taken by city
Walls - Lowers damage taken by city
Fortifications - Lowers damage taken by city
Sentry Tower - Increases city line of sight
Defense Tower - Increases city line of sight and defense
Keep - Increases city defense
Silo - Lower Food needed to gain a citizen
Granary - Lower Food needed to gain Citizen
Ancestral Shrine - +Happiness, +Deeds
Ancestral Temple - +Happiness, +Deeds
Monument - +Deeds
Well - +Happiness, +Deeds
Statues - +Happiness, +Deeds
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Could I end up starting a team for this mod? Possibly.
Should you get your hopes up? I would prefer you didn't.
This post is moreso an discussion post, what would YOU like to see out of a Three Kingdoms era mod, I'll be posting my original findings and changes and mechanics that would be overhauled for anyone to discuss, and anyone is welcome to add their own bits to this discussion, this is very round table, and very open, because I enjoy this kinda discussion.
Alright shall we begin then?
--------
Concept
--------
This mod would be an entire overhaul of Civilization V to fit into the Three Kingdoms Era of Chinese History. The Three Kingdoms Era was a time of turmoil when the Han Dynasty fell and three "Kingdoms" (Actually Empires technically) rose up in its place and began feuding over the entirety of the nation.
This era entered the popular culture when software publishers Koei used the book "Romance of the Three Kingdoms" as the basis for two separate series of games. The Romance however is very romanticized (No pun intended), one quote I've read stated it consists of "70% fact, 20% exaggeration, and 10% fiction" and I've seen those ratios adjusted here and there. I will be in fact pursuing the Romanticized version of this text if I do pursue this, albeit I will be doing a much farther stepped down one (I don't know if I'll include Sorcery for example, I will be basing some information roughly on fictional accounts of the era, etc.) I will also be going with the extended version of the timeline (beginning at the Yellow Turban Rebellion).
This era divided China into Three Factions:
Shu Han - Led by Liu Bei, Shu Han (Also referred to as just "Shu") sought to restore the former Han to its previous glory and end the turmoil that was pervading China. In the later years Shu would be passed down to Liu Bei's son, Liu Shan, after his father's death.
Cao Wei - The basis for Cao Wei (Als referred to as just "Wei) was laid down by a man known as Cao Cao, the former Imperial Chancellor. He owned and conquered/swayed most of the northern territories behind his cause and declared him "King of Wei", albeit his reign was short lived and his son, Cao Pi, attempted to finish what his father had started.
Eastern Wu - During the turmoil that was the fall of the Han Dynasty, Sun Quan was a warlord who had inherited a large amount of land in the south from his brother, Sun Ce. He had no intention of starting his own Kingdom, but seeing the succession of both Shu Han and Cao Wei, he declared his own dynasty, the Wu Dynasty. It would be the longest lasting of the Three Kingdoms.
--------
--------
Overview
--------
-Implementation of an entirely new unit tree that will pervade the game. Units will begin as Recruits, and will use Promotions to change themselves into bigger and better units.
-Cities begin pre-placed, so no settling new cities. You will have to develop your own cities/provinces and conquer or subdue your neighbors into following you to expand your Empire.
-Great People are combat units, Great Generals (Officers) will lead your men into battle and help assist you in conquering your foes. Great Scientists will be replaced with Strategists, who will provide bonuses to nearby allies and have a variety of tools available to them.
-The Social Policy system will be replaced with a "Succession" system, as you progress throughout the game you will accumulate "Deeds" or "Influence" which will allow you to rise up the ladder and eventually declare yourself Divine Emperor (Cultural Victory)
-Unhappiness and Unrest will cause rebellions amongst your people, keep them happy, or you may find your rebellion is ended by another rebellion.
-Some provinces will be led by a City-State like Governor that is not part of any other kingdom, they will have to be swayed or conquered.
-To be honest, I'm completely unsure what to do with technology.
--------
--------
Units
--------
*This unit tree is a major work in progress.
*Mounted is a unit promotion you can choose upon a unit leveling up (or by having a Stable), this promotion increases a units move range but also makes them more susceptible to attacks from spear using units.
*Siege units will be available as well, ranging from Catapults to Rams.
*There will be other unit trees available as well, this is the Imperial line, for example there will be a Pirate tree of units you may get access to by befriending a certain city state, or a Nanman tree.
Recruit
-Infantry
--Guard
---Imperial Guard
--Swordsman
---Swordmaster
-Spearman
--Pikeman
---Halberdier
--Long Spearman
---Lancer
-Bowman
--Archer
---Marksman
--Crossbowman
---Arbalest
Recruit
Offense: Low
Defense: Low
Movement: Average
Light Armor, Single Spear, low cost, with various promotions they can become Infantry, Spearmen, or Bowmen.
Infantry
Offense: Low
Defense: Average
Movement: Average
Light Armor, Single Sword, minor Defense vs Ranged Attacks, can be promoted into a Guard or Mercenary
Guard
Offense: Average
Defense: Above Average
Movement: Below Average
Medium Armor, Single Sword and Shield, Defense vs Ranged Attacks, can be promoted into an Imperial Guard
Imperial Guard
Offense: Average
Defense: Exceptional
Movement: Below Average
Heavy Armor, Dao and Tower Shield, Heavy Defense vs Ranged Attacks, balanced stats otherwise
Swordsman
Offense: Above Average
Defense: Below Average
Movement: Above Average
Light Armor, Scimitar, high offense but low defense, can be promoted into a Swordmaster
Swordmaster
Offense: Exceptional
Defense: Below Average
Movement: Above Average
Medium Armor, Scimitar and Buckler, high offense and movement but low defense
Spearman
Offense: Average
Defense: Below Average
Movement: Average
Light Armor, Spear, minor bonuses vs Mounted Units, can be promoted into a Pikeman or Long Spearman
Pikeman
Offense: Above Average
Defense: Below Average
Movement: Average
Medium Armor, Pike, Bonus Damage vs Armored Units, can be promoted into a Halberdier
Halberdier
Offense: Exceptional
Defense: Below Average
Movement: Average
Medium Armor, Halberd and Buckler, Heavy Bonus Damage vs Armored Units
Long Spearman
Offense: Above Average
Defense: Below Average
Movement: Average
Medium Armor, Long Spear, Bonus Damage vs Mounted Units, can be promoted into a Lancer
Lancer
Offense: Exceptional
Defense: Below Average
Movement: Average
Medium Armor, Long Spear and Shield, Heavy Bonus Damage vs Mounted Units
Bowman
Offense: Below Average
Defense: Low
Movement: Above Average
Light Armor, Bow, 2 Tile Ranged Attack, can be promoted into an Archer or Crossbowman
Archer
Offense: Average
Defense: Below Average
Movement: Above Average
Medium Armor, Bow, 2 Tile Ranged Attack, can be promoted into a Marksman
Marksman
Offense: Above Average
Defense: Below Average
Movement: Above Average
Medium Armor, Bow, 2 Tile Ranged Attack
Crossbowman
Offense: Above Average
Defense: Average
Movement: Low
Medium Armor, Crossbow, 3 Tile Ranged Attack (Requires setup), can be promoted into an Arbalest
Arbalest
Offense: Exceptional
Defense: Average
Movement: Low
Medium Armor, Crossbow, 3 Tile Ranged Attack (Requires setup)
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Buildings
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Buildings
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*Just started this section
Palisade - Lowers damage taken by city
Walls - Lowers damage taken by city
Fortifications - Lowers damage taken by city
Sentry Tower - Increases city line of sight
Defense Tower - Increases city line of sight and defense
Keep - Increases city defense
Silo - Lower Food needed to gain a citizen
Granary - Lower Food needed to gain Citizen
Ancestral Shrine - +Happiness, +Deeds
Ancestral Temple - +Happiness, +Deeds
Monument - +Deeds
Well - +Happiness, +Deeds
Statues - +Happiness, +Deeds
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